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Ayiu
06-10-2014, 09:03 PM
Yesterday, Ready At Dawn, developers of PlayStation 4 exclusive The Order 1886, have taken to the PlayStation Blog to reveal the games worldwide release date, along with other info regarding two Special Editions. The Order: 1886 will be launching worldwide on February 20th, 2015.

The Collector's Edition of The Order 1886 is priced at $79.99 USD and includes the following content:


?Galahad under Fire? Statue (7 inch)

Collectable Steelbook

"Coat of Arms" Stickers

Digital Content

Pre-Order DLC (Knight?s DLC)

Official Soundtrack with Bonus Tracks

Unreleased Behind-The-Scenes Footage



http://collectorsedition.org/uploads/2014/06/The-Order-1886-Collectors-Edition-540x303.jpg (http://collectorsedition.org/uploads/2014/06/The-Order-1886-Collectors-Edition.jpg)

The Premium Edition of The Order 1886 is priced at $149.99 and includes the following content:


?The Endless Duel? Statue (13 inch)

Collectable Steelbook

Art Book (with hidden compartment)

Blackwater Vial (w/chain)

Collector?s Box

"Coat of Arms" Stickers

Digital Content

Pre-Order DLC (Knight?s DLC)

Official Soundtrack with Bonus Tracks

Unreleased Behind-The-Scenes Footage



http://collectorsedition.org/uploads/2014/06/The-Order-1886-Premium-Edition-540x303.jpg (http://collectorsedition.org/uploads/2014/06/The-Order-1886-Premium-Edition.jpg)

pre-orders can be placed at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=order%201886) for both Editions.

Thanks to ce.o member Madigan (http://collectorsedition.org/forums/member.php?u=803) for the heads up!... View this article on the HomePage. (http://collectorsedition.org/21144/the-order-1886-premium-collectors-edition-revealed-north-america)

eternix
06-10-2014, 09:07 PM
I'm crying right now...

MikeCosgrove
06-10-2014, 09:11 PM
And Europe gets the shaft....just like The Last of Us edition

God we don't even get a Steelbook or Statue in ours.

Ayiu
06-10-2014, 09:14 PM
Added pre-order info.

available on Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=order%201886

Dr_Jengo
06-11-2014, 04:38 AM
The statues look cool. Still unsure about the game but I liked what I saw at E3.

Are these the collectibles that Gary (Fad) was working on?

Collector's Edition at US$79.99 looks to be a steal.
Premium Edition at US$149.99 is ex though..

But if you are getting both, I guess it works out to be fair.

bbki
06-11-2014, 04:42 AM
He working on these three I believe

http://i.imgur.com/lhhnHtk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xO5yYgY.jpg

StayFree( ' 3')
06-11-2014, 07:01 AM
He working on these three I believe

http://i.imgur.com/lhhnHtk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xO5yYgY.jpg

damn, guy does amazing work. :drool:

Dr_Jengo
06-11-2014, 09:34 AM
Those are awesome, not for the regular collector though..

fm4dj
06-11-2014, 09:56 AM
oh crap. amazon.com does net seem to ship outside the US. any other shop where i can import these?

Letrico
06-11-2014, 10:02 AM
Looks so much nicer than the European CE. Can't we all get the same CE worldwide :( Save production cost for them and save money for us.

MadMan5
06-11-2014, 01:02 PM
Looks so much nicer than the European CE. Can't we all get the same CE worldwide :( Save production cost for them and save money for us.
The Australian CE is on EB games "crap'' and Amazon USA not posting to AU.

Ayiu
06-11-2014, 06:12 PM
EU Collector's Edition up on Amazon.co.uk

Pretty crappish compared to the US one, imo.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Order-1886-Collectors-Edition/dp/B00I9WW9M8/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402468144&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+order+1886+collecter

LoUfan12
06-11-2014, 06:53 PM
Is this an Amazon exclusive or is it going to be available at GameStop?

waswas1717
06-12-2014, 01:43 AM
Hi ya all..

I was wondering why amazon.com stopped sending games internationally. I remember ordering a couple of CE from there with no problem (last being Titanfall), is it a new policy?
Also, in case we in europe don't get other than that crappy edition mentioned above. Is anyone ready to reserve me a copy and send it to me on release? I don't beleive anyone has started a group buy on this.

Thanks a lot.

Dreamcazman
06-12-2014, 01:45 AM
Awesome news, just checked on Amazon and they have the option to ship the Premium & Collectors editions overseas! Get your orders in!
Incidentally, the regular version is still US only. :scratch:

Waswas, Amazon do this on occasion for whatever reason. Just keep checking back, nine times out of ten, the option will be there to order.

waswas1717
06-12-2014, 01:49 AM
Awesome news, just checked on Amazon and they have the option to ship the Premium & Collectors editions overseas! Get your orders in!
Incidentally, the regular version is still US only. :scratch:

Waswas, Amazon do this on occasion for whatever reason. Just keep checking back, nine times out of ten, the option will be there to order.

Awesome, just tried and everything went ok.. Thanks a lot for the tip..

RobinCahill
06-12-2014, 07:07 PM
Just pre-ordered the Premium Edition from Amazon.com. Thanks to the dollar/pound exchange rate and the reasonable postage costs (including the irritating import tax!!!) it was not as expensive as I thought it was going to be - worth a look.

MikeCosgrove
06-12-2014, 08:14 PM
EU Collector's Edition up on Amazon.co.uk

Pretty crappish compared to the US one, imo.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Order-1886-Collectors-Edition/dp/B00I9WW9M8/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402468144&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+order+1886+collecter

What the hell man

No Statue
No Physical OST
No Artbook
Unreleased documentary stuff which should be on the disc in the Bonus section
No Steelbook

I mean I would probably be ok if it came in a better Steelbook then the US but it doesn't.

singer07
06-15-2014, 05:29 AM
What the hell man

No Statue
No Physical OST
No Artbook
Unreleased documentary stuff which should be on the disc in the Bonus section
No Steelbook

I mean I would probably be ok if it came in a better Steelbook then the US but it doesn't.

box is nicer tho

MadMan5
06-15-2014, 07:18 AM
box is nicer tho
If they had put a steel case with the art book. Replica Knight's vial pendant, Digital content: pre-order DLC (Knight's Arsenal), official soundtrack with bonus tracks, unreleased behind-the-scenes footage may have worked.

As for the footage and music don't see the point if you can't get it to work on PS4, Sony you need to get your shit together.

Triszin
06-16-2014, 03:03 PM
If ya'll get issues with getting these sent overseas let me know. I can look into how much it will be to ship these overseas to people. (I work for a online retailer that sells through amazon, so i get pretty good shipping rates)

aselwyn1
06-16-2014, 08:03 PM
Got the collectors edition love how much stuff I get for $70

OneLetter
06-17-2014, 01:09 AM
Hey all,

My name is J, and I'm the Community Manager for Ready At Dawn Studios. I know it still says I'm the Community Manager for Irrational Games, but I've moved to a new studio.

Regardless, I'll be around these forums to answer any questions you may have regarding the special editions of The Order: 1886, or any merchandise / collectibles along the way. I'm also working on a small spreadsheet to explain the version / country differences once it's all finalized.

Feel free to message me or talk to me on Twitter (@OneLetter) at any time. Now I just need to get the mods to change my user title. :D

StayFree( ' 3')
06-17-2014, 01:45 AM
Hey all,

My name is J, and I'm the Community Manager for Ready At Dawn Studios. I know it still says I'm the Community Manager for Irrational Games, but I've moved to a new studio.

Regardless, I'll be around these forums to answer any questions you may have regarding the special editions of The Order: 1886, or any merchandise / collectibles along the way. I'm also working on a small spreadsheet to explain the version / country differences once it's all finalized.

Feel free to message me or talk to me on Twitter (@OneLetter) at any time. Now I just need to get the mods to change my user title. :D

Hi J ;)

Looking forward to picking your brain on everything 1886/Ready at Dawn related.

so I think you just confirmed that they'll be more "merchandise/collectibles" in the future. Do tell.

OneLetter
06-17-2014, 01:48 AM
Hi J ;)
so I think you just confirmed that they'll be more "merchandise/collectibles" in the future. Do tell.

Ha! Nothing confirmed, but after co-running the Irrational Store and seeing how much fans enjoy well-made clothing designs and collectibles, I'd sure like to see if there are some avenues for Ready At Dawn to create new merchandise, or for some giveaways / contests.

No promises!

Letrico
06-17-2014, 01:51 AM
Hey all,

My name is J, and I'm the Community Manager for Ready At Dawn Studios. I know it still says I'm the Community Manager for Irrational Games, but I've moved to a new studio.

Regardless, I'll be around these forums to answer any questions you may have regarding the special editions of The Order: 1886, or any merchandise / collectibles along the way. I'm also working on a small spreadsheet to explain the version / country differences once it's all finalized.

Feel free to message me or talk to me on Twitter (@OneLetter) at any time. Now I just need to get the mods to change my user title. :D

I have a random question regarding the Editions in US and PAL region. What makes the company to decide to make different content collectors edition for 2 different regions? Is it a survey you guys did that influence the content or it is purely a company decision?

StayFree( ' 3')
06-17-2014, 01:57 AM
Ha! Nothing confirmed, but after co-running the Irrational Store and seeing how much fans enjoy well-made clothing designs and collectibles, I'd sure like to see if there are some avenues for Ready At Dawn to create new merchandise, or for some giveaways / contests.

No promises!

As long as it's stuff not signed by Ken Levine I'll be happy. :taunt:

Good to see you back though, looking forward to what you have to share in the future. :thumb:

OneLetter
06-17-2014, 02:04 AM
I have a random question regarding the Editions in US and PAL region. What makes the company to decide to make different content collectors edition for 2 different regions? Is it a survey you guys did that influence the content or it is purely a company decision?

Those decisions were made before my time here, so I really don't have an answer for you. I'll see if I can dig around and see where the differences came from.

toxicatom5
06-17-2014, 02:54 AM
Glad to see you again! Can't wait to hear what you might be working on over there!

MadMan5
06-17-2014, 07:39 AM
Ha! Nothing confirmed, but after co-running the Irrational Store and seeing how much fans enjoy well-made clothing designs and collectibles, I'd sure like to see if there are some avenues for Ready At Dawn to create new merchandise, or for some giveaways / contests.

No promises!

Geezer do an Art of book and may be a god t-shirt and you will be set.


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Dreamcazman
06-17-2014, 08:39 AM
Hi J, it's nice to have representatives that are willing to communicate with the gaming community.

I would also like to know (RE: Letrico's question), our CE is rather uninspiring in comparison to the US. All I can say is thank God for region free consoles and Amazon. :lol:

waswas1717
06-17-2014, 12:05 PM
About the editions;.
the european one has the nicest packagin/boxing. The premium one has all the nicities, but somehow the statue is not so pleasant (Wonder why they focused on that monster's ass??!), the CE has the nicest statue and price, but missing the artbook with the vial. Hard decision!

And at Mr. J.. I also would really love to re-ask Letrico's questions.. How do companies decide which CE goes to which country/reigion.. specially when the difference is quite obvious. like here, why dont the europeans get to have that monster's ass offered to them?!
Thanks

Triszin
06-17-2014, 05:19 PM
Really looking forward to this game, will buy the 80$ Premium but I also kinda want that book and pendant. =/

OneLetter
06-17-2014, 06:12 PM
Oh, the Lycan butt. You're not the first that has said that, and I guess it's just an unfortunate camera angle (I didn't take it). The main point, in my opinion, was to capture Galahad's face, so once we have a 100% final version of the statue (there's some small paint tweaks right now), we'll likely put it on a turntable and do a 360 video of it to show it off in a better light.

That way, if you're a fan of Lycan butt, you can see ALLLLL of it, or focus purely on Galahad, like a boring person.

I likely won't have that CE differentiation answer for you guys for a bit, since I'm tracking down a few people, and that was all done before I joined RAD.

Triszin
06-17-2014, 06:25 PM
Actually can we get measurements of the pendant and artbook? also the quality of the paper?


now that i see its a artbook, not just a clamshell im buying the 150$

Chargersfan57
06-18-2014, 01:53 AM
It would be great if we could get a highly detailed view of both statues. I want the artbook and pendant so I purchased the Premium, but so far I kinda like the statue that comes in the $80 version.

Although the one with lycan is more dynamic so maybe I will like that one better...

OneLetter
06-18-2014, 02:32 AM
Actually can we get measurements of the pendant and artbook? also the quality of the paper?

It would be great if we could get a highly detailed view of both statues.

As with my previous responses, I'll work on getting more overall details / photos than the one image we've released so far. I know that's what the majority of folks here are looking for. :7up:

LyricalOne
06-19-2014, 01:26 AM
I have personally pre-ordered both version already even before buying my PS4 :lmao:

Just wanted to say thank you for stopping by and communicating with the collectors here. I love the collector's edition because it offers so much for such a great price. I just hope the statue isn't of bad quality/design.

Thanks again! :wave:

xack
06-19-2014, 05:50 AM
I have personally pre-ordered both version already even before buying my PS4 :lmao:

Just wanted to say thank you for stopping by and communicating with the collectors here. I love the collector's edition because it offers so much for such a great price. I just hope the statue isn't of bad quality/design.

Thanks again! :wave:

I've gone one better, pre ordered both premium and collectors edition from Amazon as well as the Australian (European) collectors edition locally.

What I would like to know is whether there will be a bigger, individual artbook. I'm a fiend for the artbooks.

MikeCosgrove
06-19-2014, 11:44 PM
I have a random question regarding the Editions in US and PAL region. What makes the company to decide to make different content collectors edition for 2 different regions? Is it a survey you guys did that influence the content or it is purely a company decision?

They'll probably give you the same crappy response they give to everyone who asks that question

"This is due because of the different Manufacturer/Production companies in each region"

Even though those companies could get told to make the same ones. I just think if you can't get a statue or steelbook in one regions edition at least get something as good to replace it.

I wouldn't mind if Europe/UK had a second, more content filled Collectors edition but why is it we just get the one. Sony did the same with the Last of Us, we didn't get the Post Pandemic Edition we got two limited editions instead which were the same just one was for Joel and the other for Ellie. Even then we didn't get a steelbook with it, same goes for the inFAMOUS Second Son limited edition, the hand print art was fantastic but again no steel, then again US didn't get a steelbook either so it's not as bad.

OneLetter...if by some chance you ever get to speak to someone about this, could you least see if they can change the Europe Collectors edition to add in a Statue...or at least feature a Steelbook instead. I just don't see how you can get away with giving us less, yet we have to pay more.

I mean it's not coming out until Feb next year, that's plenty of time

PoofGone
06-20-2014, 05:42 AM
I have to agree that EU edition is a total rip-off as long as it is the only option to choose from. With current EU edition, I wouldn't even mind if there was no EU option, fine, make collector's and premium only available in US as long as we can import those and ditch the EU version completely since this seems more like a consolation prize.

Texas Fire
06-20-2014, 05:53 AM
What the heck is this game? Or what currently is it similar to?

TF

Letrico
06-20-2014, 08:17 AM
What the heck is this game? Or what currently is it similar to?

TF

Hm.. Gears of War + Uncharted + Last of Us?

Texas Fire
06-20-2014, 01:27 PM
Hm.. Gears of War + Uncharted + Last of Us?

Quite the title...SOLD!

TF

Triszin
06-20-2014, 06:20 PM
Gears Meets Vanhelsing.

Fad
06-28-2014, 10:04 AM
On behalf of my team, I thank you. A lot of talented folks worked on those displays. I really love the arc gun!

http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp320/garybarth/999F327F-0A52-4D36-B92A-E7775460147E-4418-000003648294F564_zps1d940074.jpg


damn, guy does amazing work. :drool:

Triszin
06-28-2014, 07:32 PM
Thats awesome! whats the weight on that beast?


side note:
I want to by the premium edition but don't want the statue atm. anyone interested in purchasing it when I get it?

amb6883
07-04-2014, 07:42 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/the-order-1886-collectors-edition-playstation-4/7383561.p?id=1219268393427&skuId=7383561&st=order% 201886&lp=2&cp=1

Did not see this posted yet but CE $60 pre order

Fad
07-05-2014, 12:40 AM
Not too bad...about 15 lbs.

Thats awesome! whats the weight on that beast?


side note:
I want to by the premium edition but don't want the statue atm. anyone interested in purchasing it when I get it?

LyricalOne
07-05-2014, 06:24 AM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/the-order-1886-collectors-edition-playstation-4/7383561.p?id=1219268393427&skuId=7383561&st=order% 201886&lp=2&cp=1

Did not see this posted yet but CE $60 pre order

Thanks for the heads up!

Even though it's not available yet, I will cancel my other pre-orders and pre-order it from BB. So glad I GCU when I had the chance.
If only they would get the premium ed. as well.

MadMan5
07-05-2014, 06:46 AM
Thanks for the heads up!

Even though it's not available yet, I will cancel my other pre-orders and pre-order it from BB. So glad I GCU when I had the chance.
If only they would get the premium ed. as well.

Will Amazon USA price match if the know about this?

LyricalOne
07-05-2014, 07:24 AM
Will Amazon USA price match if the know about this?

The might but I'm pretty sure the 59.99 is just a place holder. Once its actually available for pre-order it'll be regular price.

djtoko
07-05-2014, 07:50 AM
The price is $79.99 again.


http://www.bestbuy.com/site/the-order-1886-collectors-edition-playstation-4/7383561.p?id=1219268393427&skuId=7383561&st=order% 201886&lp=2&cp=1

Did not see this posted yet but CE $60 pre order

I_BE_WILL
07-05-2014, 09:51 AM
There is a steelbook edition available at EB Game Aus now.

amb6883
07-05-2014, 01:25 PM
The price is $79.99 again.

It was available at $59.99 for most of the day yesterday. Hope they still let my pre order go through and don't cancel.

LyricalOne
07-05-2014, 06:31 PM
It was available at $59.99 for most of the day yesterday. Hope they still let my pre order go through and don't cancel.

Oh really?

I guess I checked too late. It said coming soon when I looked. Oh well. It would of been epic at $59.99 - 20% off but I will still take $79.99 - 20% off lol

Merch
07-05-2014, 11:10 PM
i need this gun, PLEASE!!! I will do everything for it :P

comaamen86
07-06-2014, 01:16 AM
i need this gun, PLEASE!!! I will do everything for it :P

EVERYTHING?


http://hugequestions.com/Eric/img2/sheep-with-high-heels.png

Dreamcazman
07-06-2014, 03:40 AM
There is a steelbook edition available at EB Game Aus now.
It's still crappy by comparison.

MadMan5
07-06-2014, 03:50 AM
It's still crappy by comparison.

Makes no sense getting this unless it's $40 AUD as the US CE's are rear versions I know what I would buy.


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I_BE_WILL
07-06-2014, 03:55 AM
Makes no sense getting this unless it's $40 AUD as the US CE's are rear versions I know what I would buy.


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Sorry I was in a hurry I should clarify, it appears to be a first print type edition, they are not selling a standard copy at all, and are upgrading existing orders. It's only the Limited (steelbook) and Collectors edition.

MadMan5
07-06-2014, 04:02 AM
Sorry I was in a hurry I should clarify, it appears to be a first print type edition, they are not selling a standard copy at all, and are upgrading existing orders. It's only the Limited (steelbook) and Collectors edition.

Standard copy? Upgrading to what? Or now you can just buy steel with dlc's. Are you saying now if you get CE you get a steel with it.

I_BE_WILL
07-06-2014, 04:18 AM
Standard copy? Upgrading to what? Or now you can just buy steel with dlc's. Are you saying now if you get CE you get a steel with it.

They are not selling the standard copy prior to release, and all existing orders for standard copies are being upgraded to the limited edition which is just a steelbook and extra DLC, JB HIFI appears to have done the same thing, but mightyape are still selling standard copies at $75. Collectors edition contents are still unchanged.

MadMan5
07-06-2014, 04:42 AM
They are not selling the standard copy prior to release, and all existing orders for standard copies are being upgraded to the limited edition which is just a steelbook and extra DLC, JB HIFI appears to have done the same thing, but mightyape are still selling standard copies at $75. Collectors edition contents are still unchanged.

Hmmm... Same game (standard) with a steel book? if they flogged it for $75 them that would be a deal. So $25 for a steelbook and two dlc's or the CE hmmm...

Merch
07-06-2014, 10:34 AM
Yeah coma , I take the sheep :) it's like 200 years ago, when boys practice for their first time :)

Drakan
07-10-2014, 10:45 PM
Awesome news, just checked on Amazon and they have the option to ship the Premium & Collectors editions overseas! Get your orders in!
Incidentally, the regular version is still US only. :scratch:

Waswas, Amazon do this on occasion for whatever reason. Just keep checking back, nine times out of ten, the option will be there to order.

Big thank you for spotting and sharing this.

At long last Amazon US sells overseas; about time! :notworthy:

Dreamcazman
07-11-2014, 08:37 AM
No worries, glad to help.

Not sure what you mean about them selling overseas, I've been getting games off Amazon for years.

MadMan5
07-11-2014, 09:33 AM
No worries, glad to help.

Not sure what you mean about them selling overseas, I've been getting games off Amazon for years.
Me too, But as there is an Amazon in the UK and postage is free most never think about getting items from Amazon USA for me games in most cases are cheaper to get from overseas, unless it is an AUS exclusive like Middle-Earth Shadow of Mordor Special Edition EBgames mark up is a joke JB the same but they are always $1 cheaper. (funny) As I say they are not in for my interest just my coin.

Drakan
07-11-2014, 10:33 AM
No worries, glad to help.

Not sure what you mean about them selling overseas, I've been getting games off Amazon for years.

Amazon US would always block me any purchase and re-direct over to my local Amazon (i.e. UK).

Unless I had a game delivered to a US address they wouldn't let me buy through them. I'm amazed you managed to get them to ship overseas all these years. :nosleep:

Dreamcazman
07-11-2014, 01:55 PM
Amazon US would always block me any purchase and re-direct over to my local Amazon (i.e. UK).

Unless I had a game delivered to a US address they wouldn't let me buy through them. I'm amazed you managed to get them to ship overseas all these years. :nosleep:
Ohh ok, must be different in the UK.

We don't have an Amazon AU as such, there is one purely for ebooks but that's something different.

MadMan5
08-02-2014, 10:06 AM
Looks like the UK CE has had a 1886 one penny coin added to it just seen it on tweeter this should ally to the AUS version I would think.

Dr_Jengo
08-31-2014, 02:03 PM
Collector's Edition Statue pics:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10649862_10152722107751803_844690822295847994_n.jp g?oh=1a6bd41f30b0235ee19185d63d5db091&oe=5462E6BC&__gda__=1417592022_9b36af8eabda53a012b3d6221654a24 8

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1610784_10152722107736803_5118776100576073551_n.jp g?oh=1f07a6389eefae013d91b7cf0ead2e6b&oe=547C4D54&__gda__=1416758379_f2ba7368259aca12299161dddd02934 b

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10428059_10152722107741803_52508586957193172_n.jpg ?oh=313a5679c15ae17182ed871d23ac15b0&oe=545CCBC7&__gda__=1416171693_a6f8c413d59a2af09fd082ed5534b13 8

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10384024_10152722107701803_4396360970938375725_n.j pg?oh=5910cd62466c3d0459b49c64b3a9fb70&oe=547EE5E6&__gda__=1416923545_93c08e7b318421e3260dc889e00eea6 8

Excellent Photography!! The details on the statues are fantastic too. Just hoping that the games lives up to the price of the CEs