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Originally Posted by Vlad
Look, I think we've found the root of the problem, definitely actually, going by the sort of borderline libertarian spiel you put in the second paragraph.
(Although I like the irony of having the audacity to imply that I wasn't dignified or mature enough whilst you can throw in the sneaky insult that I've heard so often before of, "Perhaps you live in a country where everyone expects everything to be taken care by their government". If you want to be so dignified and mature, try not implying that all people of my nationality are lazy and entitled, y'know, the way I've always seen that used by those closer to your political views.  )
We'll never see eye-to-eye on this because, to not mess you about and just be straight, so this isn't meant as a personal attack because frankly I can't be arsed wasting my time on it, I think that typical right-wing, yay! free market, blaming my views on my government for not being some horrific Thatcherite dog-eat-dog hellhole (god forbid we have the NHS and free prescriptions and anything like that! Look at us dirty, Commie fucks, trying to support everybody in as equal a way as possible!)
As for your last paragraph, that was good of you, but really, you got burned by some royal pricks, does that excuse any of the relevant points we've been talking about, well, no. It's not really as relevant in this context, especially with you trying to frame it as a moral problem at the end, they're as bad as each other to me.
Also, to be clear, I didn't use the word "evil", maybe don't try and twist my words to suit your argument...
However, most importantly, you've still missed the entire point.
This is not some political issue and about our respective viewpoints on that but as I have always put it, it is a personal moral issue for me of someone putting personal gain over the fairness of everybody. But re-reading your reply, I can see you don't have an answer to that with how quickly you guide it to the politics side right at the start of paragraph two. |
Well let's start with the fact that YOU turned it into a personal attack, not I. You first went off spewing your comments unleashed to a certain degree, not I. I only defended my views and rightfully so. You may disagree with me all day long, and for that I understand, but it's how YOU chose to do it. You are allowed to share your opinion and I am allowed to disagree, and vice versa.
You appear to be anti-capitalism by your posting, thus, anti-personal gain. In all seriousness what is wrong with a person making a profit? Using the example of the PipBoy Edition, what is wrong with someone reselling it and making a profit for themselves perhaps using that profit to better their situation, which could be a situation you aren't familiar with? How do you know a person who is profiting isn't using that money to help pay a medical bill or help provide for their family? You don't so it's best not bash someone just because they want to profit when it comes to selling.
Yes I agree, it would be nice if there would be a way for everyone who wanted a PipBoy Edition to get one at retail but in this case what I feel you are completely forgetting is the fact that it is a "Limited Edition". You have a huge demand but a low supply. Generally when that happens, the secondary prices on the supply go up, because demand dictates it.
Follow me with this....let's say you have 1000 PipBoy Editions and you have 5000 people who all want one at retail. You put them up for sale at retail price, some people know about them going up, some people don't. Some people feel it is wise to get one now, while others feel they will wait and get one later in a store (despite the fact that the stores won't have them). You make it clear its a limited edition and for sake of the argument you disclose that there are only 1000 made (where in reality Bethesda never said how many were made but they continued to have the factory produce as many as possible until the factory said "no more" to them).
Now, all 1000 sell out. You have 4000 people who didn't get one. You then have 100 of those people who got one who decide they want to resell it. Now what is fair? For those 100 people to go to the remaining 4000 people and then look at them and say "Ok you are worthy of buying mine at retail, but you over there aren't." How is that fair? Don't you think what would be better is say "Ok I am going to sell mine, and I am going to put it up on x auction website and start it off at retail price, you 4000 people will dictate the final selling price". So now you have 4000 people who can either bid on it
or not. No one is forcing them to bid and purchase it, they are given a choice, they can either bid, or not. Now, someone really wants it, and they are willing to pay 4x the retail price. Is it bad or wrong that someone is willing to pay that? Is it equally wrong for the seller to then accept that as a final winning bid price? No it's not. All 4000 people had in this case a chance to bid, if some didn't want to pay over retail, then that is understandable its a choice pure and simple. For those who can't afford it, perhaps buying a video game is something they should be spending their money on in the first place. Just because a person wants does not mean they are in a place to have it. I want a 2016 Audi R8 convertible. Can I afford it? No. Do I expect a dealership to sell me one at cost just because I want it? No. Should I rethink it and realize that car is not in my future because it doesn't make financial sense? Yes, I should look elsewhere for a car that fits my budget. Same logic here with the game or anything else for that matter.
Now don't go down hard on the seller, as he let the 4000 dictate the final price. Don't be hard on the winning bidder because he really wanted the item, more so than anyone else, and perhaps just because he/she can afford it doesn't make them any less of a person. Now the original owner has sold his for 4x retail price. Under your logic that person is bad, they are a "greedy capitalist" even though you have no clue what this person intends to do with the money. They could be using the extra money to help themselves get out of debt, or help someone in their family with medical expenses, etc. The fact of the matter is YOU assume a person is greedy despite the fact that you don't know what they are using the money for.
At the end of the day we are talking about a "limited edition" item, which I think you haven't realized that when you have something limited, not everyone will be able to get one. It is not my responsibility or obligation to sell it at my cost, there is no law that says I or anyone else has to. If I want to profit or better yet if YOU wanted to profit, then more power to you. You won't be frowned up, better still, you should NOT be frowned upon for selling at a profit, regardless of what that profit amount is, especially if the profit will go to better your life or someone you knows life. Make sense?
Again, we can go round and round about it, but why? We will both disagree so really what is the point? You believe in everyone getting something for the same price, and I do as well to a point, but I am also very much for profit, for capitalism. I want to better my life for myself, I don't want handouts and expect someone to better my life for me. That isn't meant to be a dig at you at all so don't take it that way.