about Crouching Altair first4figures statue

[flatout]

Originally Posted by HIPPEEDUDE

Now your saying these werent official. Well your wrong,if they werent official then the 10 inch Altair figure wouldnt have been made,some of the crouching Altair wouldnt have been gifted to Ubisoft emplyees & lastly you would find some evidence on the net somewhere of Ubisoft sueing first 4 figures for fraud or whatever. I think before you start a thead about something that has a history of rumour as well as speculation you should have all the facts in your hand at that point in time not afterwards & definately not change your story half way through. You have already changed what you have said once because your facts werent straight,what else will change.

He just means they weren't "licensed"... I think. Which is undeniable since that was the big "issue" with these.

[HIPPEEDUDE]

Originally Posted by flatout

He just means they weren't "licensed"... I think. Which is undeniable since that was the big "issue" with these.

Thats still illogical for the simple reason it was/is known that Ubisoft had some these to hand out as "gifts" for employees. I cant see Ubisoft handing out unlicensed products to them,lol. That,simply wouldnt make sense or surely never happen.

[flatout]

Originally Posted by HIPPEEDUDE

Thats still illogical for the simple reason it was/is known that Ubisoft had some these to hand out as "gifts" for employees. I cant see Ubisoft handing out unlicensed products to them,lol. That,simply wouldnt make sense or surely never happen.

No it is not.

Licensed products simply mean they can sell them with the contractual agreement and royalties from/to Ubi... that is all, so if Ubi backed out then they became unlicensed and could not legally be officially sold.


So in legal jargon they are unlicensed and unofficial.


To us collectors though they midas-well be official because Ubi was a part of them and used them even though they weren't allowed to be officially sold. This is at least how I understand the issue and I certainly might not have all the info or I could just be plain wrong.

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by HIPPEEDUDE

Thats still illogical for the simple reason it was/is known that Ubisoft had some these to hand out as "gifts" for employees. I cant see Ubisoft handing out unlicensed products to them,lol. That,simply wouldnt make sense or surely never happen.

Maybe a license was never required as they were never intended for actual retail sale?

I mean do you really think the bioshock audio logs has an official bioshock license attached to them somewhere?

Granted the size of this edition would somewhat encourage this

Licenses are needed for retail products so they can't be copied and what not

When you create something as a gift for employees I see no reason why a license would be necessary

[HIPPEEDUDE]

Originally Posted by flatout

No it is not.

Licensed products simply mean they can sell them with the contractual agreement and royalties from/to Ubi... that is all, so if Ubi backed out then they became unlicensed and could not legally be officially sold.


So in legal jargon they are unlicensed and unofficial.


To us collectors though they midas-well be official because Ubi was a part of them and used them even though they weren't allowed to be officially sold. This is at least how I understand the issue and I certainly might not have all the info or I could just be plain wrong.

Well,then if what your saying is correct then it creates a bit of a pickle so to speak. Because if the crouching figure is suposedly unlicence/unofficial for whaatever reason therefore would not the standing figure collectors edition also then be classed an unlicensed/unofficial product?

Originally Posted by SwiftDeath

Maybe a license was never required as they were never intended for actual retail sale?

I mean do you really think the bioshock audio logs has an official bioshock license attached to them somewhere?

Granted the size of this edition would somewhat encourage this

Licenses are needed for retail products so they can't be copied and what not

When you create something as a gift for employees I see no reason why a license would be necessary

If something is made,no matter by who & no matter the amount made they still have to have,or at least should have had the express permission of whatever company is asking whatever to be made. The reason for this is simple,if you asked company X to make company B 10 products whats to stop them making more than that unless they were legally bound by a license type agreement to only make 10 of them. In the case of the Bioshock audio logs,this is still classed as official because of supporting documentation. It doesnt have to actually some logo on the product all the time as i am sure there are hundreds of products with no actual logo on them but are made under licence.

[flatout]

The audio logs are a terrible example.

The difference is the audio logs would be claimed by 2K if asked, the crouching Altair would not apparently.

[MortalMonday]

I'm looking at my sealed crouching Altair figure right now, and it's got all kinds of licensing info on the box. Frankly, I don't believe any info that's out there regarding this figure. Until I hear it straight from F4F, I ain't buyin' any info, period.

[SwiftDeath]

Can someone just dig out the original statue designers from whatever hole they've been hiding in already?

I mean honestly it should not be this hard to get straight answers about it

Even when F4F have provided answers they aren't very detailed

[MortalMonday]

Exaclty. That one F4F answer was sketchy at best. I want someone from F4F to come out and give reliable, detailed info regarding this figure.
I don't believe all of this talk about it being unlicensed either. I think I even remember seeing the figure on the F4F website many years ago; not for sale of course. They just had very general info on the piece and some pictures. It's been so long now though, that I don't remember if there was any important info listed on there.

[Mathika]

Wow
whats going on here?
you guys should stop here befor everything went into a collector War

I will ask them again

We also need to ask :

xtralifes.es (some spanish member here who can ask them if they ever sell them?)

and

Ubisoft (what they make with this special gift from F4F)