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[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

It was way too convoluted and explained like crap. It was more restrictive than steam in some ways (limited time for offline play) but it was also more open in some ways. You could actually trade in games (albeit to select retailers) and you could give them away (albeit only once) you could also gameshare with 10 different people--although I'm of the mind that it would have ended up being little more than extended demos. There were plenty of back and forths between it and steam, but due to it being more open in some ways and more closed in others, I really wouldn't call it any more or less restrictive than your standard pc DRM schema.

24 hour check-in is my major complaint

Even just on a purely principle level that is a terrible restriction

I need MS's daily permission to play my games

Great thanks for that

The game trading was innovative but technically they legally had to allow that if they ever wanted to sell it in Europe

Europe has laws that mandate the trading and selling of software licenses

A case against steam in europe has either gone through or in progress

Don't remember but most people expect steam to add game trading of some sort to align with european laws

And yes family sharing was likely PR spin at the last minute

If it was as good as claimed it would've been on E3 show or mentioned at E3 in detail

I will almost certainly buy an X1 now likely in a year or year and a half when Halo comes out and things with the system have been sussed out

Still dislike the mandatory kinect attachment though as that drives up the cost so much

[CanisCanemEdit]

Originally Posted by SwiftDeath

24 hour check-in is my major complaint

Even just on a purely principle level that is a terrible restriction

I need MS's daily permission to play my games

Great thanks for that

The game trading was innovative but technically they legally had to allow that if they ever wanted to sell it in Europe

Europe has laws that mandate the trading and selling of software licenses

A case against steam in europe has either gone through or in progress

Don't remember but most people expect steam to add game trading of some sort to align with european laws

And yes family sharing was likely PR spin at the last minute

If it was as good as claimed it would've been on E3 show or mentioned at E3 in detail

I will almost certainly buy an X1 now likely in a year or year and a half when Halo comes out and things with the system have been sussed out

Still dislike the mandatory kinect attachment though as that drives up the cost so much

Thank you. The whole family sharing is something that we've been doing since the beginning and just sounds to me that it's being marketed as some kind of beneficial revolutionary option that didn't exist before.

I'm in the same boat with you. I will buy one in a year or so. For everyone that wants to buy one, more power to you, but I'm not throwing any money in that direction nor am I going to make it some kind of vigilante cause to convince others from doing what they want to do with their money.

[Zaku77]

Originally Posted by SwiftDeath

24 hour check-in is my major complaint

Even just on a purely principle level that is a terrible restriction

I need MS's daily permission to play my games

Great thanks for that

The game trading was innovative but technically they legally had to allow that if they ever wanted to sell it in Europe

Europe has laws that mandate the trading and selling of software licenses

A case against steam in europe has either gone through or in progress

Don't remember but most people expect steam to add game trading of some sort to align with european laws

And yes family sharing was likely PR spin at the last minute

If it was as good as claimed it would've been on E3 show or mentioned at E3 in detail

I will almost certainly buy an X1 now likely in a year or year and a half when Halo comes out and things with the system have been sussed out

Still dislike the mandatory kinect attachment though as that drives up the cost so much

Agreed, the mandatory check ins thing was absolutely ridiculous. The European case you are speaking of was specifically in Germany, if I'm not mistaken, so we will have to see where that ends up going. It is certainly not a done deal at this point. It's always interesting when laws try to catch up to technology and the internet. The fact that these issues exist shows that they are still lagging behind, and the consumers, companies, and legislators are all pushing on each other trying to find some beneficial new norm.

[CanisCanemEdit]

And for you to make the decision on what you feel is legitimate for another individual based solely on your opinion is another problem. Okay, you know for a fact that the people who make the proper decisions are exclusively just out to get your money and this holds true for every company out there. You have evidence to substantiate this claim as if you are 100% sure that you know the inner workings of a video game company let alone any company for that matter. Are you a stock holder? Are you the ceo of said companies and are speaking in their behalf as a third party representative on this forum. No, I didn't think so. So to say your thoughts are any more valid over another individual just because you think you're in the know is just plain ridiculous. PR is pr, but you are talking as if you are 100% omniscient sure that you are completely aware of how it works for every company.

So now, you're of the opinion that you can decide what my experience is or isn't based on your opinion. How do you know exactly what is integral to my experience relative to this hobby? Take a look at how ridiculous you're sounding off. While others are merely arguing an opinion, it's become you're modus to decide who is valid or legitimate or what a person can or cannot do. It does change my experience which is why I posted to begin with. As a matter of fact, it's changed a lot of people's opinions in the fighting game community that I have had this discussion with already. But, I guess their opinions have no real merit or validity and their stance to boycott this has no real bearing, either, as it just comes off as some kind of delusional fandom you.

If you want to buy this game for X amount of dollars, suit yourself. I could care less what the hell you're doing. I could care less because an opinion is an opinion.

Yes, people throw out their opinions. You cannot stop an individual from making uninformed thoughts just because they think it all makes sense in their head and they have all the answers for everything. Being able to argue doesn't necessarily mean you're cut out for the profession tied to the action. I know people who read on how to perform tracheostomies, but it doesn't make them any more qualified to be doing it. Everyone argues on the internet. Believe me and I'm sure each and every individual believes they have valid arguments. Believing doesn't necessarily make it so.

I'm done with what I need to say. That's the problem with the internet and especially more so for a forum. Discourse is one thing, but you can never filter out individuals on the internet who feel so strongly in their opinion that it becomes fact and everything not readily within their blinders gets easily dismissed as invalid. You have to love these characters, sometimes, as it would make the internet a less colorful interspace.

[Zaku77]

Originally Posted by CanisCanemEdit

And for you to make the decision on what you feel is legitimate for another individual based solely on your opinion is another problem. Okay, you know for a fact that the people who make the proper decisions are exclusively just out to get your money and this holds true for every company out there. You have evidence to substantiate this claim as if you are 100% sure that you know the inner workings of a video game company let alone any company for that matter. Are you a stock holder? Are you the ceo of said companies and are speaking in their behalf as a third party representative on this forum. No, I didn't think so. So to say your thoughts are any more valid over another individual just because you think you're in the know is just plain ridiculous. PR is pr, but you are talking as if you are 100% omniscient sure that you are completely aware of how it works for every company.

So now, you're of the opinion that you can decide what my experience is or isn't based on your opinion. How do you know exactly what is integral to my experience relative to this hobby? Take a look at how ridiculous you're sounding off. While others are merely arguing an opinion, it's become you're modus to decide who is valid or legitimate or what a person can or cannot do. It does change my experience which is why I posted to begin with. As a matter of fact, it's changed a lot of people's opinions in the fighting game community that I have had this discussion with already. But, I guess their opinions have no real merit or validity and their stance to boycott this has no real bearing, either, as it just comes off as some kind of delusional fandom you.

If you want to buy this game for X amount of dollars, suit yourself. I could care less what the hell you're doing. I could care less because an opinion is an opinion.

Yes, people throw out their opinions. You cannot stop an individual from making uninformed thoughts just because they think it all makes sense in their head and they have all the answers for everything. Being able to argue doesn't necessarily mean you're cut out for the profession tied to the action. I know people who read how to perform tracheostomies, but it doesn't make them any more qualified to be doing it.

(And here you are back at the freedom we have to spend money on whatever we want. Did I not make it clear that I am in no way trying to (nor do I have the ability to) take that away from you? The very notion of it is silly.)

I was going to give you another nice, long, well thought out reply (It's almost bothering me not to, in fact). But then I noticed you're someone that uses the term "could care less". Based on English, the language we are currently conversing in, that means you actually care enough that it is possible for you to care less. While I am making more of those dangerous assumptions, I'm just going to go with it this time, and I think I'll save my breath--metaphorically speaking--for a more worthy sparring partner and just leave it at that.

Also, the bit about being a lawyer was a joke to try and defuse the situation and explain that I'm not just singling you out. Thank you for the little lesson that came with the response, though. I suppose watching the food network a few times didn't make me a chef, so now I need to take that off of my CV. Thank you for that!

As for your last edit: If you could explain your opinion in a more reasonable way that makes sense, and properly responded to my points, then that would be that. My thoughts are in no way set in stone. If you had a more reasonable argument, then I would be totally open to changing my views on things. I'm a very cold, non-emotional person. I'm not attached to my thoughts and feelings. If they're proven incorrect or flawed, then they will change, period. I tried very hard to make sure that everything I was saying was well thought out and well explained in actual reasons. I'm also sorry that you're naive enough to think that companies are your friend and care about you. While I must admit that the thought gives me a chuckle, that mindset will surely only cause you harm later in life. As for characters on the internet, my favorite are the pseudo-intellectuals. See where I'm going with this? Then again, you "could care less" so this surely doesn't matter to you, anyway...

[comaamen86]

i will jump in on this with a thought out argument

wwooooooo sony


boo Microsoft

[LowlyAssassin]

Microsoft has since announced that the game
Killer Instinct will be free for EVERYONE (on Xbox one) to download and play, so besides the steelbool
And the killer instinct exclusive character
Is there any point in buying this ?

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by LowlyAssassin

Microsoft has since announced that the game
Killer Instinct will be free for EVERYONE (on Xbox one) to download and play, so besides the steelbool
And the killer instinct exclusive character
Is there any point in buying this ?

I assume it comes with a more complete version of the game

More charecters etc.

[sigmadirk69]

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[sigmadirk69]

Originally Posted by LowlyAssassin

Microsoft has since announced that the game
Killer Instinct will be free for EVERYONE (on Xbox one) to download and play, so besides the steelbool
And the killer instinct exclusive character
Is there any point in buying this ?

Yes you get an exclusive character that nobody else will have plus the steelbook. your going to buy live gold anyways, might as well get some extra content and a steel book to go with it.