Fallout 4

[Collector's Edition]

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[CollectorFanatic]

Full Game Name: Fallout 4
Edition Name: Pipboy Edition
Platform(s): Playstation 4, Xbox One, PC
Region(s):
Publisher: Bethesda
Release Date: November 10, 2015
Price (RRP): $119.99
Bar Code: (if known)
Package Description: A fully functioning Pipboy you can use in game using your smartphone as the screen
Content Description: [url=https://flic.kr/p/uCSaYd][img]https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5530/18795172496_102e7f875e_b.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3922/18795960636_e54d368569_b.jpg
Link(s) to source(s):
Other Info/Pics:

[CollectorFanatic]

Please post pics if you got them and PLEASE post preorder when available

[Viridius]

Wait are you reporting the edition exists? Or hoping it does?

[CollectorFanatic]

It exists. They just announced it at the Bethesda E3 show.

[CollectorFanatic]

http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/06/15/e3-2015-fallout-4-collectors-edition-includes-real-pip-boy

[Viridius]

That looks awesome. You should put the pics in the first post.

[CollectorFanatic]

Please do! My phone sucks ass

[Cosmic_Link]

:swoon:

Do want!! 0.0

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2015/06/CHgojIsWsAAgtNs.jpg-large.jpeg

[CollectorFanatic]

They're up on amazon!!!!!

[QAQGameOver]

amazon !

[CollectorFanatic]

Officially.....preordered

[Matrix6]

I sense a bigger CE will come along...

[Namzor]

Up on Bestbuy as well if you are Gamers Club Unlocked. PS4 seems to be sold out already though.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/fallout-4-pip-boy-edition-xbox-one/9647001.p?id=1219705077495&skuId=9647001

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/fallout-4-pip-boy-edition-windows/9648037.p?id=1219705076082&skuId=9648037

[barnaba]

They're up on amazon!!!!!

thanks! preordered.

[Funnnkyyy]

They're up on amazon!!!!!


Likewise, pre-ordered. However, I do think that there will be a bigger edition coming :drool:

[Dreamcazman]

I preordered the Pipboy edition, not sure if I'll keep it though. :scratch:

If a super duper Amazon limited edition comes out, I'll grab that instead.

[huntrodz]

Any news on UK pre orders?

[Funnnkyyy]

Any news on UK pre orders?


Not sure yet.. I ordered through Amazon in the U.S. But have since learned that EB Games in Australia now have this for pre-order as well

[Ce-Maniac]

Shut up and take my money. TAKE IT :cpatch:
They ship to Germany.
Just preordered. Woohaa :bananayes:

[huntrodz]

Ahhh well I just pre ordered from Amazon US just incase I miss out on European pre orders :)


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[Matrix6]

I preordered the Pipboy edition, not sure if I'll keep it though. :scratch:

If a super duper Amazon limited edition comes out, I'll grab that instead.

I'm anticipating a bigger CE (not exclusive to one country), this one seems a bit basic to me. And more importantly, overpriced for what you get...nothing new for us now.

[singer07]

if there was a bigger edition, it would have been announced. also this thing is overpriced since it doesnt even come with a screen lmao.

[huntrodz]

I'm unsure if I will keep mine, but I have one reserved that's the main thing.

I'd have preferred a steelbook, a nice map of Boston maybe some sort of bobblehead collection or something. This doesn't feel like a proper collectors edition to me.

Hoping they announce a different one, but as mentioned before I think if they did they would have announced it at E3 :(


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[singer07]

they hyped it up hardcore during the conference, no reason to have another one. Ive never seen a second CE announced later down the line anyway.

[PulpSuicide]

pretty sad they don't ship to my country.

[Dreamcazman]

I'm anticipating a bigger CE (not exclusive to one country), this one seems a bit basic to me. And more importantly, overpriced for what you get...nothing new for us now.
Just had another look and yeah it is rather basic, just a heap of plastic crap and non-steelbook case.

I must be getting old because I'm really starting to tire of these CE's. :boredo:

[flatout]

Not sold out yet. I actually think they are not as "limited" as most "limited" editions. The price says a lot IMO.

[Stasis]

Just when I thought I was done with CEs...

[flatout]

Just when I thought I was done with CEs...

Lol... yeah the PIP-BOY is hard to pass up, especially at a nice price.

One major factor with the price that I thought of is no DLC (not saying it is an issue, actually glad... but it helped keep the price down which was nice).

[Stasis]

Yes... And it's not helping that I am currently playing New Vegas and kicking myself for not getting the CE too. It's so rare now and I remember seeing it at such a low price! Not happening again. I am so getting this.

Side note: Anyone want to sell me their sealed copy of New Vegas CE? :D

[flatout]

Yes... And it's not helping that I am currently playing New Vegas and kicking myself for not getting the CE too. It's so rare now and I remember seeing it at such a low price! Not happening again. I am so getting this.

Side note: Anyone want to sell me their sealed copy of New Vegas CE? :D

That was the ones with the poker chip, right? Was not amazing if I remember correctly but back then I was not into CE (still am not really).

[Stasis]

That's the one! Back then I didn't think it was great. But I really do like those poker chips now... Might just eBay them as standalone.

[Leonsamus]

preordered from Best Buy gotta love that gamers club discount on CE's!

[flatout]

preordered from Best Buy gotta love that gamers club discount on CE's!

How much they save you on that?

I got 6 months of free Amazon Prime so I get everything shipped 2-Day free and luckily I am in one of the 24 or so states that Amazon has not filed to collect tax in.

[Leonsamus]

20% plus you get a $10 rewards cert for the preorder plus I had $15 in rewards certs banked up and you get free release day delivery!

[flatout]

SOLD OUT!

Took longer then I thought but still, was bout 6-7 hours.

[KnightOfTruth]

Just placed an order at BB? Maybe because it was already in my cart?

Also, GAME just announced that its their "exclusive" as well, so EU members should be set with that.

[flatout]

Sorry I just meant on Amazon.

[Googlie]

Just ordered mine form BB!!! Omfg I love you guys thanks. Saw the thread im my email and ran straight to Amazon and almost cried when it said it was sold out.

[flatout]

Best Buy link for anyone who needs it (I fin it funny as it says release date no yet announced... lol):

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/fallout-4-pip-boy-edition-playstation-4/9634008.p?id=1219705076076&skuId=9634008

[KnightOfTruth]

Best Buy link for anyone who needs it (I fin it funny as it says release date no yet announced... lol):

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/fallout-4-pip-boy-edition-playstation-4/9634008.p?id=1219705076076&skuId=9634008

Yeah, they usually do that. It'll typically say December 31, 201x where x is the year they anticipate it being released. It causes a problem a lot of times when people preorder things and their credit cards are set to expire before 12/31 but after the release date of the game. BB needs to fix that.

[Lemur]

Ah damn amazon sold out. Anyone from US can help me order a PS4 copy from best buy?

[flatout]

Yeah, they usually do that. It'll typically say December 31, 201x where x is the year they anticipate it being released. It causes a problem a lot of times when people preorder things and their credit cards are set to expire before 12/31 but after the release date of the game. BB needs to fix that.

Well I just mean its funny because and exact date was announced with the announcement of the edition ;)

Or do they do this even with games where the release date has been know for a very long time too?


Yeah I do not like Best Buy's charge and refund system on pre-orders. Seems silly to do this.

[Cosmic_Link]

SOLD OUT!

Took longer then I thought but still, was bout 6-7 hours.

Yeah it took longer than I thougt too. Glad I snagged one earlier! ^^

Also, GAME just announced that its their "exclusive" as well, so EU members should be set with that.

UGH! >.< Not happy about that. :( Hopefully I can get an in-store pre-order before they sell out. Gonna be annoyed if I miss out on a PAL copy! >.<

[Vlad]

Got my Game preorder in there, was so worried when I seen the Amazon one sold out and then Game was taking ages to load, was sure I was missing out for a minute. (Although looking now, interestingly, there's no preorder button anymore on the XBone edition.)

The Fallout 4 Club sounds interesting though:

Fallout 4 Vault Club
Do you consider yourself a Fallout fanatic? This could be just the ticket to satisfy your buzz leading up to launch!

We're excited to tell you about the Fallout 4 Club, powered by GAME! If you're thinking about pre-ordering Fallout 4 with us, you'll have the opportunity to join our dedicated Fallout 4 Club. Featuring all the latest updates exclusively to Fallout fans first, as well as the opportunity to join in on the discussion with fellow wastelanders! Enlist yourself into the Fallout 4 Club today to receive:

Strictly limited edition Vault Boy Bobblehead only available to Club members.
All the latest updates on the world of Fallout 4.
Exclusive offers on exciting and upcoming Fallout items.
Special VIP access to Fallout events.
The chance to join a community of dedicated Fallout fans from across the UK.
**Terms and Conditions Apply

- See more at: http://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HubArticleView?hubId=639265&articleId=639266&catalogId=10201&langId=44&storeId=10151#sthash.QXqc2Eh1.dpuf

[Cosmic_Link]

Bah! >.< So there was a pre-order button for XB1? I must've missed it. :( Guess I'll stick with my hammyzone pre-order then!? >.<

Have caved and pre-ordered a PS4 copy incase I miss out altogether... :S

[Vlad]

Bah! >.< So there was a pre-order button for XB1? I must've missed it. :( Guess I'll stick with my hammyzone pre-order then!? >.<

I might've been mistaken of course, might've just thought it's vanished when Game's screwed up and not made it available yet. hopefully one'll appear to give people that want it one One a chance though. :thumb:

[vhal_x]

Yeah Xbox One had a preorder button, I got one at around 3 o clock :), joined the Vault Club and hoping I was in the first 10,000 preorders as they get an exclusive t-shirt too :) x

[KnightOfTruth]

Someone said that GS had a $250 random SKU in their system but no Pipboy Edition. Wonder if they'll get some special CE? Or if they just had that pricing in their as a placeholder or another "exclusive bundle" of a guidebook and previous FO games or something? Guess we'll find out later today most likely. Told my friend to give me a call if he finds out.

[Cosmic_Link]

http://img.game.co.uk/images/content/SpecialEditions/PipBoy.jpg

"Collectible Metal Case"

Steelbook? Metalpak? Or maybe just some tin case to hold the game case?

[Lemur]

Hey Cosmic help me order 1 PS4 copy quick! :bday:

[Cosmic_Link]

Yeah Xbox One had a preorder button, I got one at around 3 o clock :), joined the Vault Club and hoping I was in the first 10,000 preorders as they get an exclusive t-shirt too :) x

How to join Vault Club? o.0

[Cosmic_Link]

Hey Cosmic help me order 1 PS4 copy quick! :bday:

FUCK YEAH! ^o^ XB1 pre-order button just reappeared, so I ordered one. Will keep the PS4 order open for ya mate! :thumb:

[Lemur]

FUCK YEAH! ^o^ XB1 pre-order button just reappeared, so I ordered one. Will keep the PS4 order open for ya mate! :thumb:

Awesome! :thumb:

[CollectorFanatic]

Preorders are back up on amazon

[JakeTheCollector]

Thanks for sharing!

[flatout]

Yeah definitely not that limited. You have to assume it is selling faster then Batman and possibly even Destiny yet those editions sold out in under a couple hours.

[huntrodz]

Ok just ordered from game UK on ps4, anyone know how you claim your bobblehead?? Or actually join the vault hunter club?


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[flatout]

Ok just ordered from game UK on ps4, anyone know how you claim your bobblehead?? Or actually join the vault hunter club?


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Who, what, and where was I?

[huntrodz]

Who, what, and where was I?

Info from GAME UK Site.....

Vault Club
Fallout 4 Vault Club
Do you consider yourself a Fallout fanatic? This could be just the ticket to satisfy your buzz leading up to launch!

We're excited to tell you about the Fallout 4 Club, powered by GAME! If you're thinking about pre-ordering Fallout 4 with us, you'll have the opportunity to join our dedicated Fallout 4 Club. Featuring all the latest updates exclusively to Fallout fans first, as well as the opportunity to join in on the discussion with fellow wastelanders! Enlist yourself into the Fallout 4 Club today to receive:

Strictly limited edition Vault Boy Bobblehead only available to Club members.
All the latest updates on the world of Fallout 4.
Exclusive offers on exciting and upcoming Fallout items.
Special VIP access to Fallout events.
The chance to join a community of dedicated Fallout fans from across the UK.
- See more at: http://www.game.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/HubArticleView?hubId=639265&articleId=639266&catalogId=10201&langId=44&storeId=10151#sthash.4PPc8skx.dpuf

[KnightOfTruth]

Yeah definitely not that limited. You have to assume it is selling faster then Batman and possibly even Destiny yet those editions sold out in under a couple hours.

You honestly think FO4 has a bigger following than Batman or the Destiny-hype train? Nah, I don't think so. :think:

[Toasty the Baker]

Someone said that GS had a $250 random SKU in their system but no Pipboy Edition. Wonder if they'll get some special CE? Or if they just had that pricing in their as a placeholder or another "exclusive bundle" of a guidebook and previous FO games or something? Guess we'll find out later today most likely. Told my friend to give me a call if he finds out.

Let us know ASAP if you learn anything or if anything is listed. :)

[Vlad]

Does anybody know anything about the club?
Just asking because I didn't get any e-mail about it and nothing on my order page, plus nothing was different in my basket when I ordered, but someone posted this on HUKD and some people are saying they got a separate club deposit thing in their basket or it shows differently on their order or that they have an e-mail about it.
Yet I ordered fairly early and none of that happened to me, might contact their CS if I don't get any word soon.

[huntrodz]

Does anybody know anything about the club?
Just asking because I didn't get any e-mail about it and nothing on my order page, plus nothing was different in my basket when I ordered, but someone posted this on HUKD and some people are saying they got a separate club deposit thing in their basket or it shows differently on their order or that they have an e-mail about it.
Yet I ordered fairly early and none of that happened to me, might contact their CS if I don't get any word soon.


Yeah I had nothing neither, I've already contacted CS.


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[Cosmic_Link]

Yeah, I didn't get anything either, but my GF did when she checked out her's. You get a separate email regarding the club after you order too.

[eternix]

Glad I got it! :)

[huntrodz]

Yeah, I didn't get anything either, but my GF did when she checked out her's. You get a separate email regarding the club after you order too.

Yeah ive noticed if you go on and order now it adds to your basket - strange. Guess ill wait to hear back from their CS....there site is running like crap atm!

[Matt16]

Yeah, I didn't get anything either, but my GF did when she checked out her's. You get a separate email regarding the club after you order too.

Yeah I got a seperate email too with a download code.

[huntrodz]

I managed to cancel my order from GAME on the hope of re-ordering with the code.

Cant get through checkout stage now! :hammer:

[Matt16]

I managed to cancel my order from GAME on the hope of re-ordering with the code.

Cant get through checkout stage now! :hammer:

persevere with it, I just spent 20 mins doing it but it finally went through.

[huntrodz]

persevere with it, I just spent 20 mins doing it but it finally went through.

Finally got the order through! Code for Vault club has been delivered instantly!

[Vlad]

Finally got the order through! Code for Vault club has been delivered instantly!

This might sound odd, but is your code just comingsoon?
I re-ordered, which took about 30 mins, got my e-mail and the code just says comingsoon.

I'm probably just worrying for nothing, probably get a follow-up, but there's a bobblehead at stake! :P

[master_hayabusa]

This might sound odd, but is your code just comingsoon?
I re-ordered, which took about 30 mins, got my e-mail and the code just says comingsoon.

I'm probably just worrying for nothing, probably get a follow-up, but there's a bobblehead at stake! :P
Yes it is

[Cosmic_Link]

Yeah I decided not to re-order. According to the T&Cs you need a Facebook page with the same name as your GAME account for them to verify it and I don't have a Facebook page and have no intention of making one. :P

[Fishfather]

I went to my local GAME shop today and they were taking preorders for this edition already. It has Pipboy edition + club on my receipt so I'm not sure how it works to enter the club through a store order but I've emailed them for clarification and keep y'all updated!

[Vlad]

Yeah I decided not to re-order. According to the T&Cs you need a Facebook page with the same name as your GAME account for them to verify it and I don't have a Facebook page and have no intention of making one. :P

Jesus, that's stupid, nice one, Game, not gonna cause problems at all.
For example my Game account is in my dad's name because it was created years ago, but I have my own FB, so I've went on and changed the Game account name, hope it doesn't screw it up.

[Toasty the Baker]

Pre-Orders are up at GameStop.com!

http://www.gamestop.com/browse?nav=16k-Fallout+4+Pip+Boy+Edition

[V4MP1R1C_L30]

This Looks Cool I Need To Go Pre-Order A.S.A.P.!! .... Not Surprisingly This Is Already On Ebay For $185 And Up BIN. There's Even An Auction With A BIN For $777. So Get This If You Plan To SOON.

[Codreanu]

I'm waiting for Amazon.de to get these for pre-order. This is a must-have for sure!

[Saturn]

I'm waiting for Amazon.de to get these for pre-order. This is a must-have for sure!

Same here, even though I already preordered at game uk just for safety reasons.

[Codreanu]

Sold out on amazon.de... And somehow I'm not able to place my order on game.co.uk... :(

[barnaba]

Sold out on amazon.de... And somehow I'm not able to place my order on game.co.uk... :(

up at amazon.fr

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00ZP7ABNE?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

[Damnation]

Sold out on amazon.de... And somehow I'm not able to place my order on game.co.uk... :(

They cancelled my order.

[treegate]

Amazon, Best Buy.com, and Gamestop are all sold out now. Best Buy.com did have some available earlier today. Bethesda online store had some still left around 5am pacific time but then sold out (their website was down much of Tuesday evening due to maintenance).

I have heard Best Buy in-store is taking pre-orders but payment in full is required. Unsure if they are still taking orders though.

NewEgg.com has announced they will have pre-orders for PS4 and XBOX One, those links have not gone live yet for you fans here in the USA still wanting to get one as I am unsure if NewEgg ships internationally. They don't have the PC version up at this time. The links are below for NewEgg's site, and you can sign up to be notified when they are available too:

XBOX One: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16874122052&cm_re=fallout_4-_-74-122-052-_-Product

PS4: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16879228061&cm_re=fallout_4-_-79-228-061-_-Product

I heard Target, Walmart, or Fry's won't be carrying this edition of the game.

[Dark Sol]

sold out everywhere in under 3 days. WTF lol

[Viridius]

EG Games in Aus are also sold out

[ob1ob]

These were available on Walmart.com very briefly today. I was lucky enough to order an Xbox One version. Then I was going to post here, and they were already sold out! I can't believe how quickly these are selling out.

[Vlad]

So is Game sold out now too? My partner's brother was wanting one but hasn't been able to get one yet because of checkout errors, would suck if he missed out
They didn't have it marked as sold out a few hours ago but it could be slow to update.

[vhal_x]

Nah, still up at game as of 30 mins ago, Allan's friend I'd preordering at midnight x

[LAURA]

up at amazon.fr
PS4
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00ZP7ABNE?creativeASIN=B00ZP7ABNE&linkCode=w00&linkId=UXCRO6M2VPOYC7Q3&ref_=as_sl_pc_tf_til&tag=jv08-21
One
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00ZP7AKGC?creativeASIN=B00ZP7AKGC&linkCode=w00&linkId=YJZFGPNZ5KQBUR4B&ref_=as_sl_pc_tf_til&tag=jv08-21

[Vlad]

Nah, still up at game as of 30 mins ago, Allan's friend I'd preordering at midnight x

Cool, thanks, hopefully he'll still get it.
I've always found it weird how the UK seems to get a disproportionately large number of CEs, other places sell out that are way bigger than here but the UK still seems to have some in many cases. Of course, there's a ton of factors to that, so it might not be that disproportionate after all.

[treegate]

Interesting that Walmart.com had them, they had mentioned to me when I contacted them they were not going to carry it. Perhaps they meant "not carrying it in store".

[ob1ob]

It's doubtful that any retailer will be carrying these in store. I'm sure they'll all be online sales only. The only reason I knew is because I just happened to check nowinstock.net at the right moment. According to their stock tracker, the Xbox One was only available for 21 minutes and PS4 about 42 minutes . That's a ridiculously small window.

http://www.nowinstock.net/videogaming/games/fallout4/

[treegate]

It's doubtful that any retailer will be carrying these in store. I'm sure they'll all be online sales only. The only reason I knew is because I just happened to check nowinstock.net at the right moment. According to their stock tracker, the Xbox One was only available for 21 minutes and PS4 about 42 minutes . That's a ridiculously small window.

http://www.nowinstock.net/videogaming/games/fallout4/

Yeah these are more than likely going to be online only and not in stores, probably due to the fact that they only can produce so many but that collector's editions generally take up too much retail store space and space is at a premium. Only store ones would be the pre-orders that Best Buy in-store were doing.

[ob1ob]

My concern is that I hear Walmart has a history of canceling pre-orders for CE's that they never actually receive. That happened to a bunch of people who ordered the Witcher Wild Hunt CE from them.

[huntrodz]

Has GAME taken the deposit from anyone yet? I checked my bank and they have taken £8.54?? Strange as the deposit is supposed to be £20......


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[ob1ob]

Currently available for pre-order at Target for those in the US:

http://m.target.com/s?searchTerm=fallout%204&category=0|All|matchallpartial|all%20categories

[singer07]

Currently available for pre-order at Target for those in the US:

http://m.target.com/s?searchTerm=fallout%204&category=0|All|matchallpartial|all%20categories

Do they charge up front?

[Dark Sol]

Access denied for me lol

[huntrodz]

Something all of you with GAME pre orders will be interested in!

live chat You are chatting with Matt B
[11:20am]John says:
Hi, im just enquiring why you have taken £8.56 from my paypal account? I have pre ordered fallout 4 pip boy edition, and that payment excluding my reward points cost £91.88 and that payment is still pending. The deposit on that item is supposed to be £20.

[11:21am]Matt B says:
Matt B has joined.

[11:21am]Matt B says:
Hi John, did you have the order number at all so I can take a look?

[11:23am]John says:
Hi Matt, order number is

[11:25am]Matt B says:
So we have taken £8.11 in reward points and £8.56 for the preorder, left over there is £83.32 left to pay but that won't be taken until within the final week of the games release.

[11:26am]John says:
Ahh i see, i didnt realise that the reward points i used were also take into consideration re the deposit.

[11:26am]John says:
that explains it then

[11:26am]Matt B says:
No problem, sorry for any confusion.

[11:26am]John says:
also do you know if i was in the first 10,000 to order?

[11:27am]Matt B says:
We have had confirmation that the 10,000th pre order for the game was at 10:11 on Tuesday 16th June. Any customers who ordered the Collector’s editions before this time was one of the first 10,000.

:bday::bday::bday:

[Cosmic_Link]

[11:27am]Matt B says:
We have had confirmation that the 10,000th pre order for the game was at 10:11 on Tuesday 16th June. Any customers who ordered the Collector’s editions before this time was one of the first 10,000.

:bday::bday::bday:

:woohoo:

[melt]

[11:27am]Matt B says:
We have had confirmation that the 10,000th pre order for the game was at 10:11 on Tuesday 16th June. Any customers who ordered the Collector’s editions before this time was one of the first 10,000.

:bday::bday::bday:

What do you get if you are the first 10k person who ordered? :think:

[PulpSuicide]

What do you get if you are the first 10k person who ordered? :think:

this

[ob1ob]

Do they charge up front?

They charge when it ships. I'm sure they will pre-authorize your method of payment at the time the order is placed.

[KnightOfTruth]

Crazy that these things are selling for nearly twice the price (or over) on eBay now too! They were available for quite some time in the US.

[Dark Sol]

Selling on ebay.. Selling air i guess. 5 months to wait

[comaamen86]

Has GAME taken the deposit from anyone yet? I checked my bank and they have taken £8.54?? Strange as the deposit is supposed to be £20......


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They took 16.78 from me

I have no idea, but then game usually don't either so not questioning it


I don't collect no more but I bit this when it went up

My only ce this year

All the free stuff, shirt bobble

Not bad deal

[comaamen86]

I ordered 16th at 0732

Where ma shirt

[StayFree( ' 3')]

I'll upload some shots of the pipboy when I get home. prepare to be disappointed. :D

[comaamen86]

I'll upload some shots of the pipboy when I get home. prepare to be disappointed. :D

Is it that shit, I ordered the edition for the tee anyway :bananayes:

[Dark Sol]

It's sold out at GAME as well, am i right?
http://www.game.co.uk/en/fallout-4-collectors-edition-only-at-game-663156/?merchname=hubFallout4-_-edition-_-PipBoyPC

[ob1ob]

Xbox one and PC versions currently available for preorder on amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZGT8A8E/?tag=nisa-20

Also on bestbuy.com
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=fallout+4+pip+boy&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys
I hope the new stock will deter alot of the scalpers charging double or more on eBay. I feel bad for the people who spent all that money. It's way too early to panic and overpay

[Cosmic_Link]

It's sold out at GAME as well, am i right?
http://www.game.co.uk/en/fallout-4-collectors-edition-only-at-game-663156/?merchname=hubFallout4-_-edition-_-PipBoyPC

Nope, they're still taking orders for all platforms. Will see how long this stays up for. XD

[singer07]

Is it that shit, I ordered the edition for the tee anyway :bananayes:

ive seen close up pictures of it already, looks good to me.

[vhal_x]

Nope, they're still taking orders for all platforms. Will see how long this stays up for. XD

GAME apparently sold out now for real :) x

[treegate]

Best Buy has put up a small restock of the XBOX One and PC versions for those here in the USA. Amazon has XBOX One and PC versions up now too.

[Dark Sol]

Gone from bb and amazon again i see. I am too slow ((

[Cosmic_Link]

GAME apparently sold out now for real :) x

Looks like you're right. :D That's good news. ^o^ Would hate for this to go the way of the fallout 3 CEs where they had surplus stock and they were knocking them out for £10-20 on the run up to Christmas. XD

[flatout]

Looks like you're right. :D That's good news. ^o^ Would hate for this to go the way of the fallout 3 CEs where they had surplus stock and they were knocking them out for £10-20 on the run up to Christmas. XD

That happened? Was that just an excuse for them producing more?

This edition must not be very limited... it is such a vague term. I expected this edition to be sold out the first day within hours with the interest and hype around the game. Though compared to the interest it is pretty limited in those terms I suppose.

[Cosmic_Link]

That happened? Was that just an excuse for them producing more?

This edition must not be very limited... it is such a vague term. I expected this edition to be sold out the first day within hours with the interest and hype around the game. Though compared to the interest it is pretty limited in those terms I suppose.

Yeah, GAME were knocking them out in store for that cheap on the run up to Christmas that you could buy them and take them straight to CEX and trade them in for a tidy little profit!! XD I remember as I was at college and didn't have much money, so was a nice little earner until my local CEX stopped taking copies in!! XD

It was £20 for the Lunchbox and the LE with the Brotherhood of Steel figure was £9.99. :v:

[flatout]

Yeah, GAME were knocking them out in store for that cheap on the run up to Christmas that you could buy them and take them straight to CEX and trade them in for a tidy little profit!! XD I remember as I was at college and didn't have much money, so was a nice little earner until my local CEX stopped taking copies in!! XD

It was £20 for the Lunchbox and the LE with the Brotherhood of Steel figure was £9.99. :v:

Dang. That must have been sweet. If only to have a few new sealed one of those now :D

[Cosmic_Link]

Dang. That must have been sweet. If only to have a few new sealed one of those now :D

Yeah, if only. >.< Hindsight is a beautiful thing... :shrug:

[comaamen86]

Sold out you say?


Mine just became available

£200


:spiteful:

[killjoymeg]

Sold out you say?


Mine just became available

£200


:spiteful:

i'll give you £50

[Texas Fire]

Disappointed I missed out on this CE..

TF

[xhunter]

Pete Hines has being tweeting that he is working on getting more stock of these and on how to get scalper orders cancelled.

[treegate]

Gamestop here in the USA just put a limited quantity of them up for pre-order, shipping only, no store pick-ups allowed. This is as of 11:58am pacific time on 6/23/15 they are showing all three platforms available:

http://www.gamestop.com/browse?nav=16k-Fallout+4+Pip+Boy+Edition

[thefunk007]

Sweet thanks mate, locked in my pre-order ;-)

[treegate]

Sweet thanks mate, locked in my pre-order ;-)

No problem, they are still showing as available as of 12:25pm pacific time. I think once word spreads they will be gone within a few hours or less.

[thefunk007]

No problem, they are still showing as available as of 12:25pm pacific time. I think once word spreads they will be gone within a few hours or less.

Aye indeed, only $20 shipping to the UK, can anyone confirm what the actual UK sale price was on these?

Anyway thanks for the heads up, I own all the previous installments including 1 & 2 in their sealed boxes so couldn't miss this :beg:

[Vlad]

Aye indeed, only $20 shipping to the UK, can anyone confirm what the actual UK sale price was on these?

Anyway thanks for the heads up, I own all the previous installments including 1 & 2 in their sealed boxes so couldn't miss this :beg:

Hooe I'm not being dense and missing something but if you mean the Pip Boy Edition, Game had it at £99.99. It had a £20 deposit to get into the Fallout 4 club which will be taken off of the £99.99 when it ships though.

Keep in mind if you order from GS, you'll have import taxes to pay which can be a considerable amount. (Last of Us Post Pandemic for me was £40, if not a bit more and Arkham Asylum's CE was about £30 to give you an idea.)

[Dark Sol]

was around 9$ in taxes for US order.

[ob1ob]

They are back in stock at Best Buy. Great news if you have Gamers Club Unlocked!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=pip+boy&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

[flatout]

Glad everyone who missed the first few days of them being in stock are getting them :thumb:

Though so much for the word "limited" :D

[LAURA]

UP Amazon.fr
PS4
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00ZP7ABNE?creativeASIN=B00ZP7ABNE&linkCode=w00&linkId=N2FJPH6FR4NJTFLW&ref_=as_sl_pc_tf_til&tag=jv08-21
One
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00ZP7AKGC?creativeASIN=B00ZP7AKGC&linkCode=w00&linkId=GCKJAXLASCIFSSUI&ref_=as_sl_pc_tf_til&tag=jv08-21

[Namzor]

I think its still limited, just less so. Post was put up on Bethesda's blog.
http://www.bethblog.com/

[treegate]

Best Buy has the Pip-Boy Editions up for all three platforms:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?st=fallout+4&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&cp=1&nrp=15&sp=&qp=&list=n&iht=y&usc=All+Categories&ks=960&keys=keys

[thefunk007]

Just ordered from Amazon.com - all platforms back up!

[Dark Sol]

Sold out from amazon in seconds.
Also was back on http://store.bethsoft.com/fallout-4-pip-boy-edition.html
for a few minutes lol.
I added to cart and... it's gone. LOL

[V4MP1R1C_L30]

Does Anyone From The U.S. Have Any Additional Pre-Orders Of This CE?

[barnaba]

Does Anyone From The U.S. Have Any Additional Pre-Orders Of This CE?

not from the us but i got one , ordered it at amazon.com just to be sure i'll get it then found another one on amazon.fr , if you want it pm me. ;)

[KnightOfTruth]

Does Anyone From The U.S. Have Any Additional Pre-Orders Of This CE?

As I mentioned in the PM, I've got an extra, but would be looking for ~$145/$150 for it after taxes and shipping costs. PM me if you can't find another and you're interested though!

[KnightOfTruth]

Update on Phone Compatibility for Pip-Boy (http://www.bethblog.com/2015/06/23/fallout-4-pip-boy-edition-available-again-for-a-short-time/)

Update 6/26: Our North American quantities for the Pip-Boy Edition are sold out. We are still working out details on final inventory for European territories and expect to have information early next week. As we receive new information, we’ll update in real-time on our Twitter account, @bethblog.

Smart Phone Compatibility
We have new information on the phones compatible with the Pip-Boy Edition. The Pip-Boy included will have foam inserts that fit iPhone 6, iPhone 5/5s, iPhone 4/4S, Samsung Galaxy 5, and Samsung Galaxy 4. In addition, using the customizable foam insert you should be able to fit most other popular smartphone devices. As we wanted to stay faithful to the dimensions of the in-game model, any smartphones larger than the models listed will not fit inside the wearable device. For these larger devices, our Pip-Boy companion app will still be available.

[Letrico]

Fuck my iphone 6 plus right. :(

[utta]

Fuck my iphone 6 plus right. :(

And my galaxy note. We'll just sit in the corner with bigger better screens and not actually use the pipboy. :ok:

[CollectorFanatic]

I'd imagine it's compatible with the galaxy s6

[Matrix6]

My Sony Xperia Z3....Sony needs to aid us with this. :(

[Dreamcazman]

Good luck to those of us with Windows Phones...

[flatout]

The edition should have been $150 and had a built in LCD touchscreen.

[Cosmic_Link]

Fuck my iphone 6 plus right. :(

Mine too... :( Had a feeling that would be the case! >.< Bastards!! >.<

[snipperfizz]

All this talk about stock and all, here in NL there are at least 4 online stores that still has stock :P

[StayFree( ' 3')]

...so the Bethesda store charges up front?? :(

[Tubigdomo]

XB1 "final units" up on ebgames Australia.

https://ebgames.com.au/featured/fallout-4

Probably cancelled by people with big phones.

[treegate]

All this talk about stock and all, here in NL there are at least 4 online stores that still has stock :P

That was the final shipment, Bethesda came out and announced North America shipments are done with, all sold out now.

[Dymblos]

but they can make more units, right?

[treegate]

but they can make more units, right?

No, they said they are finished making them, and that no more would be made. That was for the North America market, they implied that perhaps they may have another small batch to announce for the international market but unsure.

[Letrico]

No, they said they are finished making them, and that no more would be made. That was for the North America market, they implied that perhaps they may have another small batch to announce for the international market but unsure.

2nd Batch for europe regions were allocated and most places are all out now :)

[treegate]

2nd Batch for europe regions were allocated and most places are all out now :)

Yeah it sounds like Bethesda is finally, and official, finished with allocating them to retailers and that no more will be made, so what will be out there will be out there. I suspect some of those who already ordered extras have been selling them now on eBay so there may (keyword "may") not be that many on the secondary market when they release in early November or around the Christmas holiday.

[Dymblos]

duh...

I don't understand why they don't want make more units.. is more $ for them :p

[treegate]

duh...

I don't understand why they don't want make more units.. is more $ for them :p

Because it's a "limited edition" and they want to keep it that way. Its the same for any special collector's edition with a huge demand....why not make more? Because developers want to keep it "limited".

[singer07]

No its because they want to keep the quality as high as they can, they also dont have their own factories so they dont want to put a crazy amount of strain on the company who is producing it. Example batmobile edition.

[KnightOfTruth]

Not only that, but international manufacturers have schedules, time tables, and need to procure personnel and materials for any type of production. This requires time and $$$. A manufacturer isn't likely to run a line of say 1,000 more units as its not even close to being fiscally reasonable with all the overhead costs and whatnot required that they'd end up passing on to the company (Bethseda). Small runs of ANY type of product become quite expensive when manufacturing lines/molds etc. have to be replaced and reset. So that's another reason in addition to what's already said.

[Dymblos]

what about amazon uk?

[CollectorFanatic]

I think if you haven't gotten one yet it's just tough shit. There were plenty of oppurtunities

[Dymblos]

i know jaja

[Dreamcazman]

Game UK will apparently have some available tomorrow (Friday), according to their Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/GAMEstore

[Biggav4000]

Back in stock at Game ,Just preordered X1 edition ,be quick before they go .

[ingmar1988]

I have a spare order at amazon.com if anyone from US missed it.

[Cosmic_Link]

The GAME store at The Bullring in Birmingham allegedly still had a stock allocation for the Pip-boy edition as of a couple of hours ago. I won't be offering a group buy as I don't frequent there, but anybody who may be local who might want one could always try. :v:

[Codreanu]

I really hate game.co.uk for not shipping the Pip Boy Edition outside the UK. Three of my friends got their pre orders canceled and now they are fucked coz it is sold out everywhere else.

[thefunk007]

No problem, they are still showing as available as of 12:25pm pacific time. I think once word spreads they will be gone within a few hours or less.

I really hate game.co.uk for not shipping the Pip Boy Edition outside the UK. Three of my friends got their pre orders canceled and now they are fucked coz it is sold out everywhere else.

Indeed it does

[Saturn]

I managed to preorder this at amazon.de. For some reason, it was available. I will cancel my game.co.uk order because they won't ship it to me...

[LAURA]

Amazon.fr up Fallout 4 Collector's Edition XBOX One
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00ZP7AKGC?creativeASIN=B00ZP7AKGC&linkCode=w00&linkId=EAKEUPWRRBQK7IBA&ref_=as_sl_pc_tf_til&tag=jv08-21

[Saturn]

I just realized game.uk cancelled my preorder and refunded the deposit. However the deposit was £20 and the refund was £16.67. Why the heck are they stealing a little over £3 then? On top of that, they still didn't even cancel the order itself, only the deposit...

Thankfully we have amazon, and I managed to grab this from amazon.de.

[vhal_x]

They more than likely only charged you that for your deposit. That's what they charged me and most other people I know x

[Toasty the Baker]

The scalpers are getting creative...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fallout-Pip-Boy-Bobble-Head-Toy-with-FREE-bonus-PS4-Fallout-4-/151740416162?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

[0329liuken]

The scalpers are getting creative...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fallout-Pip-Boy-Bobble-Head-Toy-with-FREE-bonus-PS4-Fallout-4-/151740416162?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

They might say something like "gift was not guaranteed" when the game as released. And the buyer can't do anything because it hasn't been way more than 45 days...

[Triszin]

SO happy I stayed up late the day of E3 and got it. =)

[Codreanu]

Available again on Amazon.fr for PC, XONE and PS4.

[Damnation]

Available again on Amazon.fr for PC, XONE and PS4.

Thanks

[PulpSuicide]

Is this Amazon's exclusive edition for Fallout 4? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B010VKUPEY?keywords=fallout%204&qid=1437070345&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

[vhal_x]

No that's someone else's listing of GAME's listing. They are giving a bobblehead to all preorders, and a t-shirt to the first 10,000 preorders x

[PulpSuicide]

No that's someone else's listing of GAME's listing. They are giving a bobblehead to all preorders, and a t-shirt to the first 10,000 preorders x

oh I see thanks

[killjoymeg]

me wants it

http://cdnstatic.bethsoft.com/bethblog/2015/07/Fallout-Anthology_Compilation-021.jpg

[huntrodz]

Wow!! Where to pre order?!?


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[treegate]

Wow!! Where to pre order?!?
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With it being near the end of July and it states it comes out in September, surprised there are no retailers having it up for pre-order yet. Curious if it will be limited in nature such as the Fallout 4 PipBoy Edition or if it will always be available?

Release date is September 29th in North America and October 2nd across Europe according to the Bethesda blog.

[vhal_x]

It was just announced at Quakecon x

[Toasty the Baker]

It's up for pre-order on their merch shop

http://store.bethsoft.com/fallout-anthology.html

[0329liuken]

Up on best buy

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/fallout-anthology-windows/9852688.p?id=1219041461865&skuId=9852688

No pics yet but I think this is it

[xhunter]

Any idea if it will be on Amazon?

[0329liuken]

Any idea if it will be on Amazon?


It's on Best Buy, so I guess it's gotta be on Amazon. Best Buy is the one that's always left off.

[Toasty the Baker]

Got it on Best Buy and saved 10 bucks with my membership! :)

[KnightOfTruth]

Its PC only right?

[xhunter]

Its PC only right?

Yes, PC only.

[vhal_x]

Game UK will be getting it, £49.99 - more details tomorrow x

[xhunter]

I wish Amazon would hurry up and put up the pre-order page.

[Toasty the Baker]

It sold out on Bethesda's shop, but still up at Best Buy. The anthology, that is.

[xhunter]

Amazon better carry it. I missed out on the Bethesda store waiting on Amazon.

[Toasty the Baker]

Why not just order it through Best Buy?

[xhunter]

Why not just order it through Best Buy?

I get free release day shipping and 3x rewards points with Amazon

[xhunter]

The Fallout Anthology is up on Gamestop. The item page says "limited quantities."

Grabbed one for myself as backup in case Amazon never lists it.

[Letrico]

Australia up

https://ebgames.com.au/pc-202877-Fallout-Anthology-PC

$99.95

[Letrico]

Full Game Name: Fallout 4 EB Games Nuke Pack
Edition Name: EB Games Nuke Pack
Platform(s): PC/X1/PS4
Region(s): PAL
Publisher: Bethesda?
Release Date: 10/11/2015
Price (RRP): AUD $114.95/$124.95/$125.95
Bar Code: (if known)
Package Description: Lunchbox like Fallout 3
Content Description:
Steelbook
37 x 10" Fallout 4 Print
Vaultboy Mini Bobblehead
Fallout 4 Lunchbox
Link(s) to source(s): https://ebgames.com.au/any/any?q=Fallout%204%20EB%20Games%20Nuke%20Pack&availability=onlinestock
Other Info/Pics:
https://content.ebgames.com.au/website/images/detail/202876_detail_v2.jpg

[Letrico]

Eb games Nuke Pack added into database

[Dreamcazman]

Do you want to host a GB for this Letrico, or shall I?

[Letrico]

Do you want to host a GB for this Letrico, or shall I?

Hey man I can't really host GBs since I can get pretty busy at work. Prolly the best if you do it :)

[0329liuken]

Hope the steelbook isn't different from the CE... But from the picture it is different :(

[Dreamcazman]

Hey man I can't really host GBs since I can get pretty busy at work. Prolly the best if you do it :)
No worries, I'll steal your info & create an official thread later on, gotta go to work now. ;)

[vhal_x]

Can you nab one for me Dreamcazman? And I'll get it shipped along with mad Max? :) x

[Cosmic_Link]

"Fallout 4 Lunchbox"

Same lunchbox as Fallout 3 CE?

Anyway, whoever is doing a GB on this, can you put me down for a PS4 copy? If Vhal doesn't mind, can you ship it with her stuff please? :thumb:

[Hauser57]

put me down for ps4 copy whoever is doing group buy :beer:

[Viridius]

The lunchbox looks squarer than the FO3 one. And is that the pipboy figure game ia giving away for free?

[Letrico]

"Fallout 4 Lunchbox"

Same lunchbox as Fallout 3 CE?

Anyway, whoever is doing a GB on this, can you put me down for a PS4 copy? If Vhal doesn't mind, can you ship it with her stuff please? :thumb:

I think it's the same. :P

[Dreamcazman]

Can you nab one for me Dreamcazman? And I'll get it shipped along with mad Max? :) x

put me down for ps4 copy whoever is doing group buy :beer:
Hey guys, please see my GB post.

http://collectorsedition.org/forums/showthread.php?p=263338

Vhal_x, do you still have my Paypal email?

[huntrodz]

Still can't find anything in UK yet :(


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[Nachtfalke]

Looks like Amazon.de gets a different steelbook (or an steelbook at all because from the description of the collector's edition it only includes a steelcase):
http://www.amazon.de/Fallout-Standard-Steelbook-Amazon-PlayStation/dp/B012FFEXN2/ref=sr_1_107?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1437731060&sr=1-107

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81DtxYgyntL._SL1500_.jpg

[utta]

"Fallout 4 Lunchbox"

Same lunchbox as Fallout 3 CE?

Anyway, whoever is doing a GB on this, can you put me down for a PS4 copy? If Vhal doesn't mind, can you ship it with her stuff please? :thumb:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/06/sef3.jpg

They're actually pretty different. :bananayes:

[Cosmic_Link]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/06/sef3.jpg

They're actually pretty different. :bananayes:

The lunchbox is 2-sided with a different design on each side.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/2/21662/779082-04_backlunchbox.jpg

[utta]

The lunchbox is 2-sided with a different design on each side.

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/2/21662/779082-04_backlunchbox.jpg

well now that's just awkward. lol

[Namzor]

Just realized a didn't cancel my Amazon preorder after getting one at Best Buy. If anyone still needs a Pipboy Edition for PC, let me know before I cancel it.

[treegate]

Just realized a didn't cancel my Amazon preorder after getting one at Best Buy. If anyone still needs a Pipboy Edition for PC, let me know before I cancel it.

You should keep the pre-order open and then just sell it on eBay and make some money to help pay down the one you are keeping in case nobody here needs it but quite kind of you to offer it to people here.

[treegate]

Looks like Amazon.de gets a different steelbook (or an steelbook at all because from the description of the collector's edition it only includes a steelcase):

That steelbook is quite nice, it appears to be an Amazon Germany exclusive and looks to be for either PS4 and XBOX One. I can't find any other mention of the steelbook packaging anywhere else. Does anyone know if this release is region-free or will only work on consoles in Germany and thereabouts?

I am curious though if this is in fact the steelbook packaging that comes in the PipBoy Edition here in the USA as it lists the following: "Power Armor Collectible Metal Packaging. Exclusive to the Pip-Boy Edition, this decorated metal case is the ultimate fan collectible." To me the Amazon Germany steelbook pictured above is the Power Armor so perhaps they got the exclusive to sell just the game in the steelbook packaging whereas if anyone else wants it they have to get the PipBoy Edition.

[V4MP1R1C_L30]

So Basically The Only Difference With This And 3 CE Is The Steelbook, Print, And Of Course Next Gen Game :nea: ....I'm Pretty Sure Everyone Who Has Recently Ran To Ebay To Buy The Fallout 3 CE Is Kicking Themselves Right About Now. Some Recently Paid $99 Just For The Lunchbox :rotf:

[KnightOfTruth]

You should keep the pre-order open and then just sell it on eBay and make some money to help pay down the one you are keeping in case nobody here needs it but quite kind of you to offer it to people here.

Lots of us on here try to help each other out rather than make money off each other when we can, its one of the things that makes this community so great! But to each his own obviously!
:thumb:

[treegate]

Lots of us on here try to help each other out rather than make money off each other when we can, its one of the things that makes this community so great! But to each his own obviously!
:thumb:

Yes absolutely agree, that is why I mentioned in case nobody here wanted it in my post, he should keep it open and resell it rather than simply cancelling his pre-order.

[Vlad]

Yes absolutely agree, that is why I mentioned in case nobody here wanted it in my post, he should keep it open and resell it rather than simply cancelling his pre-order.

Except that would still mean someone missing out on getting it at its actual price just so that one person can make money on one.
Just my opinion, but that's still fairly close to scalping in my book even if it is only one copy.
You got yours, you then sell a second for the profit, regardless of whether or not it's to recoup costs on the first, someone is still missing out at retail - Counts as unfair to me.

[treegate]

Except that would still mean someone missing out on getting it at its actual price just so that one person can make money on one.
Just my opinion, but that's still fairly close to scalping in my book even if it is only one copy.
You got yours, you then sell a second for the profit, regardless of whether or not it's to recoup costs on the first, someone is still missing out at retail - Counts as unfair to me.

Obviously you don't understand my posting. I said if nobody HERE on this site wants it then he should keep it and resell it. There should be no reason why he can't profit off of it if nobody here responds to him. It is quite gracious of him to offer it to fellow collectors here but if nobody wants it, why should he cancel it if he can make some money off it? Capitalism is a good thing. He can then sell for whatever amount he wants, even if its for more than what he paid. What is wrong with that? If it me and I offered it here for people at cost to help someone out and nobody responded I would sell it and let the secondary market dictate the price.

[flatout]

Australia up

https://ebgames.com.au/pc-202877-Fallout-Anthology-PC

$99.95

Who so expensive there? It sucks you guys get so screwed on conversions.


Antholgy is $49.99 in US: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012E58DFC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B012E58DFC&linkCode=as2&tag=gamloo03-20&linkId=2GJP6MWOG546DTRM


I wonder if those are limited enough to sell out. Reminds me now that i have an Amazon order I need to cancel my other order on BB.

[treegate]

Who so expensive there? It sucks you guys get so screwed on conversions.

Antholgy is $49.99 in US: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ZGT8ILI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00ZGT8ILI&linkCode=as2&tag=gamloo03-20&linkId=4BSSEPFXLS5VO3TS

I wonder if those are limited enough to sell out. Reminds me now that i have an Amazon order I need to cancel my other order on BB.

The link shows the Pipboy Edition which is different than the link he mentioned for the Anthology. Also remember the exchange rate, $99.99 Australian is about $74 U.S. dollars which is still rather high for the Anthology on PC. Australia's goods can be quite expensive, probably due to the high costs shipping products there and they pass that onto their residents which is unfortunate. I ship items to Australia all the time and its one of the most expensive places to ship to.

[Vlad]

Obviously you don't understand my posting. I said if nobody HERE on this site wants it then he should keep it and resell it. There should be no reason why he can't profit off of it if nobody here responds to him. It is quite gracious of him to offer it to fellow collectors here but if nobody wants it, why should he cancel it if he can make some money off it? Capitalism is a good thing. He can then sell for whatever amount he wants, even if its for more than what he paid. What is wrong with that? If it me and I offered it here for people at cost to help someone out and nobody responded I would sell it and let the secondary market dictate the price.

Actually, obviously you don't understand my point.

Obviously offering it here is a great thing and one of the reasons why this community is so lovely, but see, believe it or not the world of collectors is larger than this forum and keeping a second order of any sold out item is therefore making someone else in the world that wanted that miss out on getting it at retail price, perhaps even someone that now can't afford it and so only someone with enough money can get it from some reseller, oh, but wait, fuck being a good person and wanting things to be more fair for everybody as a whole when you can have capitalism and personal profit! Or at least that pathetic, tired excuse that resellers, scalpers and their sympathisers always end up using of bringing capitalism into an argument of what's actually the most fair for everybody as if your individual political views absolve you of being the sort of type to not give a shit about anybody else except your profit.

Personally, that's probably why I have a problem with it, I'm not a greedy, selfish, 'capitalist'. I want things to be more fair and to give people a chance and so I can look beyond personal profit and because of all of that, it frankly disgusts me, and in my opinion, as it should any other collector that gives any kind of a shit about their fellow collectors that they might make miss out on something they want.

Actually, to be honest, that's probably the point in that last paragraph, if it wasn't for profiteering, scalping scum, nobody might have to offer up extra unwanted orders because everybody's had a fair chance of getting it in the first place.

[flatout]

The link shows the Pipboy Edition which is different than the link he mentioned for the Anthology. Also remember the exchange rate, $99.99 Australian is about $74 U.S. dollars which is still rather high for the Anthology on PC. Australia's goods can be quite expensive, probably due to the high costs shipping products there and they pass that onto their residents which is unfortunate. I ship items to Australia all the time and its one of the most expensive places to ship to.

Oops, I meant to do the Fallout Antholgy... fixed: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012E58DFC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B012E58DFC&linkCode=as2&tag=gamloo03-20&linkId=2GJP6MWOG546DTRM

Still, anything more then a conversion to conversion rate IMO sucks. That is not saying there are not reasons sometimes... just saying it sucks.

[treegate]

Actually, obviously you don't understand my point.

Obviously offering it here is a great thing and one of the reasons why this community is so lovely, but see, believe it or not the world of collectors is larger than this forum and keeping a second order of any sold out item is therefore making someone else in the world that wanted that miss out on getting it at retail price, perhaps even someone that now can't afford it and so only someone with enough money can get it from some reseller, oh, but wait, fuck being a good person and wanting things to be more fair for everybody as a whole when you can have capitalism and personal profit! Or at least that pathetic, tired excuse that resellers, scalpers and their sympathisers always end up using of bringing capitalism into an argument of what's actually the most fair for everybody as if your individual political views absolve you of being the sort of type to not give a shit about anybody else except your profit.

Personally, that's probably why I have a problem with it, I'm not a greedy, selfish, 'capitalist'. I want things to be more fair and to give people a chance and so I can look beyond personal profit and because of all of that, it frankly disgusts me, and in my opinion, as it should any other collector that gives any kind of a shit about their fellow collectors that they might make miss out on something they want.

Actually, to be honest, that's probably the point in that last paragraph, if it wasn't for profiteering, scalping scum, nobody might have to offer up extra unwanted orders because everybody's had a fair chance of getting it in the first place.

Socialism in it's purest form. Did I say in my post that he should sell for hundreds of dollars over cost? No. I said let the secondary market dictate the price. If someone is willing to pay x amount over retail price who are you to dictate that they shouldn't? Yes I am sure a lot of people would love to have an item like this at cost, and he made the offer here that someone could which is very gracious of him and I support that. But if no one is interested, what obligation does he have or anyone for that matter to make sure he finds someone who can have it cost? None. I'd gladly help someone here and I have several times in getting items at cost and shipping them out using up my time to do so and those people have been very thankful, but where is is stated that a person can't put something up for sale on eBay or Amazon and let the secondary market dictate the price? What harm is there in that in all seriousness?

Let me give you an example. If someone sells an item for fifty dollars over retail or five dollars over retail, so what? That is what someone is willing to pay for the item. Does that make the seller some evil "capitalist" because it sold to someone who was willing to pay an amount that is over retail cost? No, profit is a good thing, that profit a person makes may go to help with other expenses he has so he doesn't have to rely on someone else helping him. Perhaps you live in a country where everyone expects everything to be taken care by their government, despite the fact that its the people who end up covering all the taxes to pay for everyone else. I don't believe in that, you may disagree and have every right to, but at the same time respect those opinions that differ from yours with a bit of dignity and maturity.

For the record, in my line of work I used to help people out by selling items at less than fair market value as these items didn't have "retail" prices, listening to their stories about how they needed the item and would not be able to pay more. So I would help them out only to learn they were in turn reselling the very same item behind my back at a profit so I stopped. So what is more "evil" as you put it, the person who sells for a profit as a business, or the person who lies about needing something and gets the item at a less than market value price only to turn around and resell for themselves at a high profit, yet lying through their teeth initially to gain financially?

[Vlad]

Socialism in it's purest form. Did I say in my post that he should sell for hundreds of dollars over cost? No. I said let the secondary market dictate the price. If someone is willing to pay x amount over retail price who are you to dictate that they shouldn't? Yes I am sure a lot of people would love to have an item like this at cost, and he made the offer here that someone could which is very gracious of him and I support that. But if no one is interested, what obligation does he have or anyone for that matter to make sure he finds someone who can have it cost? None. I'd gladly help someone here and I have several times in getting items at cost and shipping them out using up my time to do so and those people have been very thankful, but where is is stated that a person can't put something up for sale on eBay or Amazon and let the secondary market dictate the price? What harm is there in that in all seriousness?

Let me give you an example. If someone sells an item for fifty dollars over retail or five dollars over retail, so what? That is what someone is willing to pay for the item. Does that make the seller some evil "capitalist" because it sold to someone who was willing to pay an amount that is over retail cost? No, profit is a good thing, that profit a person makes may go to help with other expenses he has so he doesn't have to rely on someone else helping him. Perhaps you live in a country where everyone expects everything to be taken care by their government, despite the fact that its the people who end up covering all the taxes to pay for everyone else. I don't believe in that, you may disagree and have every right to, but at the same time respect those opinions that differ from yours with a bit of dignity and maturity.

For the record, in my line of work I used to help people out by selling items at less than fair market value as these items didn't have "retail" prices, listening to their stories about how they needed the item and would not be able to pay more. So I would help them out only to learn they were in turn reselling the very same item behind my back at a profit so I stopped. So what is more "evil" as you put it, the person who sells for a profit as a business, or the person who lies about needing something and gets the item at a less than market value price only to turn around and resell for themselves at a high profit, yet lying through their teeth initially to gain financially?

Look, I think we've found the root of the problem, definitely actually, going by the sort of borderline libertarian spiel you put in the second paragraph.
(Although I like the irony of having the audacity to imply that I wasn't dignified or mature enough whilst you can throw in the sneaky insult that I've heard so often before of, "Perhaps you live in a country where everyone expects everything to be taken care by their government". If you want to be so dignified and mature, try not implying that all people of my nationality are lazy and entitled, y'know, the way I've always seen that used by those closer to your political views. ;) )

We'll never see eye-to-eye on this because, to not mess you about and just be straight, so this isn't meant as a personal attack because frankly I can't be arsed wasting my time on it, I think that typical right-wing, yay! free market, blaming my views on my government for not being some horrific Thatcherite dog-eat-dog hellhole (god forbid we have the NHS and free prescriptions and anything like that! Look at us dirty, Commie fucks, trying to support everybody in as equal a way as possible!)

As for your last paragraph, that was good of you, but really, you got burned by some royal pricks, does that excuse any of the relevant points we've been talking about, well, no. It's not really as relevant in this context, especially with you trying to frame it as a moral problem at the end, they're as bad as each other to me.

Also, to be clear, I didn't use the word "evil", maybe don't try and twist my words to suit your argument...


However, most importantly, you've still missed the entire point.
This is not some political issue and about our respective viewpoints on that but as I have always put it, it is a personal moral issue for me of someone putting personal gain over the fairness of everybody. But re-reading your reply, I can see you don't have an answer to that with how quickly you guide it to the politics side right at the start of paragraph two.

[treegate]

Look, I think we've found the root of the problem, definitely actually, going by the sort of borderline libertarian spiel you put in the second paragraph.
(Although I like the irony of having the audacity to imply that I wasn't dignified or mature enough whilst you can throw in the sneaky insult that I've heard so often before of, "Perhaps you live in a country where everyone expects everything to be taken care by their government". If you want to be so dignified and mature, try not implying that all people of my nationality are lazy and entitled, y'know, the way I've always seen that used by those closer to your political views. ;) )

We'll never see eye-to-eye on this because, to not mess you about and just be straight, so this isn't meant as a personal attack because frankly I can't be arsed wasting my time on it, I think that typical right-wing, yay! free market, blaming my views on my government for not being some horrific Thatcherite dog-eat-dog hellhole (god forbid we have the NHS and free prescriptions and anything like that! Look at us dirty, Commie fucks, trying to support everybody in as equal a way as possible!)

As for your last paragraph, that was good of you, but really, you got burned by some royal pricks, does that excuse any of the relevant points we've been talking about, well, no. It's not really as relevant in this context, especially with you trying to frame it as a moral problem at the end, they're as bad as each other to me.

Also, to be clear, I didn't use the word "evil", maybe don't try and twist my words to suit your argument...


However, most importantly, you've still missed the entire point.
This is not some political issue and about our respective viewpoints on that but as I have always put it, it is a personal moral issue for me of someone putting personal gain over the fairness of everybody. But re-reading your reply, I can see you don't have an answer to that with how quickly you guide it to the politics side right at the start of paragraph two.

Well let's start with the fact that YOU turned it into a personal attack, not I. You first went off spewing your comments unleashed to a certain degree, not I. I only defended my views and rightfully so. You may disagree with me all day long, and for that I understand, but it's how YOU chose to do it. You are allowed to share your opinion and I am allowed to disagree, and vice versa.

You appear to be anti-capitalism by your posting, thus, anti-personal gain. In all seriousness what is wrong with a person making a profit? Using the example of the PipBoy Edition, what is wrong with someone reselling it and making a profit for themselves perhaps using that profit to better their situation, which could be a situation you aren't familiar with? How do you know a person who is profiting isn't using that money to help pay a medical bill or help provide for their family? You don't so it's best not bash someone just because they want to profit when it comes to selling.

Yes I agree, it would be nice if there would be a way for everyone who wanted a PipBoy Edition to get one at retail but in this case what I feel you are completely forgetting is the fact that it is a "Limited Edition". You have a huge demand but a low supply. Generally when that happens, the secondary prices on the supply go up, because demand dictates it.

Follow me with this....let's say you have 1000 PipBoy Editions and you have 5000 people who all want one at retail. You put them up for sale at retail price, some people know about them going up, some people don't. Some people feel it is wise to get one now, while others feel they will wait and get one later in a store (despite the fact that the stores won't have them). You make it clear its a limited edition and for sake of the argument you disclose that there are only 1000 made (where in reality Bethesda never said how many were made but they continued to have the factory produce as many as possible until the factory said "no more" to them).

Now, all 1000 sell out. You have 4000 people who didn't get one. You then have 100 of those people who got one who decide they want to resell it. Now what is fair? For those 100 people to go to the remaining 4000 people and then look at them and say "Ok you are worthy of buying mine at retail, but you over there aren't." How is that fair? Don't you think what would be better is say "Ok I am going to sell mine, and I am going to put it up on x auction website and start it off at retail price, you 4000 people will dictate the final selling price". So now you have 4000 people who can either bid on it
or not. No one is forcing them to bid and purchase it, they are given a choice, they can either bid, or not. Now, someone really wants it, and they are willing to pay 4x the retail price. Is it bad or wrong that someone is willing to pay that? Is it equally wrong for the seller to then accept that as a final winning bid price? No it's not. All 4000 people had in this case a chance to bid, if some didn't want to pay over retail, then that is understandable its a choice pure and simple. For those who can't afford it, perhaps buying a video game is something they should be spending their money on in the first place. Just because a person wants does not mean they are in a place to have it. I want a 2016 Audi R8 convertible. Can I afford it? No. Do I expect a dealership to sell me one at cost just because I want it? No. Should I rethink it and realize that car is not in my future because it doesn't make financial sense? Yes, I should look elsewhere for a car that fits my budget. Same logic here with the game or anything else for that matter.

Now don't go down hard on the seller, as he let the 4000 dictate the final price. Don't be hard on the winning bidder because he really wanted the item, more so than anyone else, and perhaps just because he/she can afford it doesn't make them any less of a person. Now the original owner has sold his for 4x retail price. Under your logic that person is bad, they are a "greedy capitalist" even though you have no clue what this person intends to do with the money. They could be using the extra money to help themselves get out of debt, or help someone in their family with medical expenses, etc. The fact of the matter is YOU assume a person is greedy despite the fact that you don't know what they are using the money for.

At the end of the day we are talking about a "limited edition" item, which I think you haven't realized that when you have something limited, not everyone will be able to get one. It is not my responsibility or obligation to sell it at my cost, there is no law that says I or anyone else has to. If I want to profit or better yet if YOU wanted to profit, then more power to you. You won't be frowned up, better still, you should NOT be frowned upon for selling at a profit, regardless of what that profit amount is, especially if the profit will go to better your life or someone you knows life. Make sense?

Again, we can go round and round about it, but why? We will both disagree so really what is the point? You believe in everyone getting something for the same price, and I do as well to a point, but I am also very much for profit, for capitalism. I want to better my life for myself, I don't want handouts and expect someone to better my life for me. That isn't meant to be a dig at you at all so don't take it that way.

[Vlad]

Well let's start with the fact that YOU turned it into a personal attack, not I. You first went off spewing your comments unleashed to a certain degree, not I. I only defended my views and rightfully so. You may disagree with me all day long, and for that I understand, but it's how YOU chose to do it. You are allowed to share your opinion and I am allowed to disagree, and vice versa.

You appear to be anti-capitalism by your posting, thus, anti-personal gain. In all seriousness what is wrong with a person making a profit? Using the example of the PipBoy Edition, what is wrong with someone reselling it and making a profit for themselves perhaps using that profit to better their situation, which could be a situation you aren't familiar with? How do you know a person who is profiting isn't using that money to help pay a medical bill or help provide for their family? You don't so it's best not bash someone just because they want to profit when it comes to selling.

Yes I agree, it would be nice if there would be a way for everyone who wanted a PipBoy Edition to get one at retail but in this case what I feel you are completely forgetting is the fact that it is a "Limited Edition". You have a huge demand but a low supply. Generally when that happens, the secondary prices on the supply go up, because demand dictates it.

Follow me with this....let's say you have 1000 PipBoy Editions and you have 5000 people who all want one at retail. You put them up for sale at retail price, some people know about them going up, some people don't. Some people feel it is wise to get one now, while others feel they will wait and get one later in a store (despite the fact that the stores won't have them). You make it clear its a limited edition and for sake of the argument you disclose that there are only 1000 made (where in reality Bethesda never said how many were made but they continued to have the factory produce as many as possible until the factory said "no more" to them).

Now, all 1000 sell out. You have 4000 people who didn't get one. You then have 100 of those people who got one who decide they want to resell it. Now what is fair? For those 100 people to go to the remaining 4000 people and then look at them and say "Ok you are worthy of buying mine at retail, but you over there aren't." How is that fair? Don't you think what would be better is say "Ok I am going to sell mine, and I am going to put it up on x auction website and start it off at retail price, you 4000 people will dictate the final selling price". So now you have 4000 people who can either bid on it
or not. No one is forcing them to bid and purchase it, they are given a choice, they can either bid, or not. Now, someone really wants it, and they are willing to pay 4x the retail price. Is it bad or wrong that someone is willing to pay that? Is it equally wrong for the seller to then accept that as a final winning bid price? No it's not. All 4000 people had in this case a chance to bid, if some didn't want to pay over retail, then that is understandable its a choice pure and simple.

Now don't go down hard on the seller, as he let the 4000 dictate the final price. Don't be hard on the winning bidder because he really wanted the item, more so than anyone else, and perhaps just because he/she can afford it doesn't make them any less of a person. Now the original owner has sold his for 4x retail price. Under your logic that person is bad, they are a "greedy capitalist" even though you have no clue what this person intends to do with the money. They could be using the extra money to help themselves get out of debt, or help someone in their family with medical expenses, etc. The fact of the matter is YOU assume a person is greedy despite the fact that you don't know what they are using the money for.

At the end of the day we are talking about a "limited edition" item, which I think you haven't realized that when you have something limited, not everyone will be able to get one. It is not my responsibility or obligation to sell it at my cost, there is no law that says I or anyone else has to. If I want to profit or better yet if YOU wanted to profit, then more power to you. You won't be frowned up, better still, you should NOT be frowned upon for selling at a profit, regardless of what that profit amount is, especially if the profit will go to better your life or someone you knows life. Make sense?

Again, we can go round and round about it, but why? We will both disagree so really what is the point? You believe in everyone getting something for the same price, and I do as well to a point, but I am also very much for profit, for capitalism. I want to better my life for myself, I don't want handouts and expect someone to better my life for me. That isn't meant to be a dig at you at all so don't take it that way.


This is what I meant by the not seeing eye-to-eye, that we should of course just leave it as we obviously don't agree but I'll answer the points you asked about as a courtesy for typing such a long answer to me in the hope that we can agree to disagree and at least leave it somewhat amicably.


Now my problem with the personal gain is in the way that it's done, the way scalping and reselling is done screws others and it's that selfishness, to give it a name, that I find abhorrent.
Sure, you might have all these justifications but you're still doing it in a way that screws other people for your own gains. (Although, really this isn't a dig at you but as a genuinely funny point, perhaps they wouldn't have to desperately try to pay for medical bills if there was something like, oh, I don't know, the NHS?) When I was in a bad place and could've used the extra money I could've made a killing off of CEs but I didn't because it would have gone against my morals of screwing other people for my gain, it simply wouldn't have been right to me, justification or no justification.

And again, you're not picking up on my point when you claim that I'm forgetting how a limited edition works. I'm obviously well aware that some people will miss out and be disappointed, what I'm meaning is that things would be better if they at least got a fair chance of securing the item through people only ordering as much as they actually need.

Also, as far as your scenario goes, it's off too, the 100 resellers wouldn't be choosing who's worthy or not, if those 100 were returned to the pot it would be that chance again for someone to get it, it isn't a case of deciding who is worthy as far as someone wanting one for themselves and not profit goes so without that understanding of what I'm meaning it shakes the rest of the scenario, however what I will say is that your point of the person paying 4x more is also flawed in this argument because I personally see that also as the problem with reselling in real life, again, it comes to that difference in viewpoint where I believe that just because you have more money, that shouldn't give you an advantage over someone else and so again, that falls to the unfair category.

And another again, the justification does not matter when it impacts others in this way, that's my point also that you aren't getting, the very nature of scalping and reselling is screwing people over for your personal gain, that's the issue I have, people could justify almost anything, it doesn't mean that their actions are then justifiable.

I won't take your last point as a dig if you don't take mine as a dig then because, the same as you, it isn't meant to be, I just want to explain my viewpoint, I am very much for fairness and equality in every way and I don't care for valuing personal profit over other, more important things, whether that's in something as ultimately futile as collectors editions or in education, healthcare, etc. I also want to better my life through hard work and I don't want 'handouts' but I also don't see those that need help in times of need or things like the NHS or free prescriptions or free University as bad things that eat into my precious hoard of personal wealth, if I have to pay more tax to keep things like this for me and for everyone else, so be it, I'll be happy with that if it makes things better for everyone.

[Toasty the Baker]

Okay, once the posts start getting THAT long I think it's time to simply agree to disagree.

[Vlad]

Okay, once the posts start getting THAT long I think it's time to simply agree to disagree.

You shurrup with your being sensible! :P

Haha, I'm leaving it now anyway, I'm glad we've managed to explain our differences but nothing else can really be added now. :)

[flatout]

I will say something, though as a point of fact... all retail selling is by definition selling something for more then they bought it for. Your local store does this.

That doesn't deal with the limited nature of things I know... but the limited part and people buying more 2 CEs instead of one is just something everyone has their opinion on (and there are points to both sides... though my personal opinion is on side is based more off emotion towards it instead of the actual realities of it (not talking about this discussion above, just in general)).

Capitalism is pretty immoral... that is a fact IMO (I know some of us Americans have a hard time saying or even seeing this as during the cold war there was propaganda that anything but Capitalism was evil and if you were any of those you were a traitor and a spy).

Truth is there is no good system... why you ask? Because the people who run it are fallible and inevitably corrupt (which in turn corrupt even a perfect system if such a thing could be thought up). Communism is actually a good theory, but as we have seen human nature abuses such a system from the top (and same goes for our system once you get most of the wealth in 1% of the populations hands like it is now).

It is all a crap shoot really guys. You have to make the best of whatever system you try to make your living in. Try to find the right balance for your sensibilities.

Just my half cent on social systems.

[CheapAssassin]

Real Fallout Confirm in near future.

And this from Flatout. :beer:


Truth is there is no good system... why you ask? Because the people who run it are fallible and inevitably corrupt (which in turn corrupt even a perfect system if such a thing could be thought up). Communism is actually a good theory, but as we have seen human nature abuses such a system from the top (and same goes for our system once you get most of the wealth in 1% of the populations hands like it is now).

[flatout]

Real Fallout Confirm in near future.

And this from Flatout. :beer:

Lol... I can hear the marketing now: "You've played the game... now you can live it!"

My response: "Ahhh, no thanks. No. Really... please don't."

[CheapAssassin]

Lol... I can hear the marketing now: "You've played the game... now you can live it!"

My response: "Ahhh, no thanks. No. Really... please don't."

:lmao:

Hey you never know Flatout. Maybe it is a good thing that Humanity gets a reset. :twisted:

[flatout]

:lmao:

Hey you never know Flatout. Maybe it is a good thing that Humanity gets a reset. :twisted:

Oh resets will happen, no country/government/dynasty/kingdom/empire/ect last forever. They all crumble eventually and are reborn for better or worse through war and/or revolution. It is a fact of human civilization. Most people do not think of it though as it is hard to see past our own time here.

It could happen like Fallout though... you never know.

[Resseh]

someone should tell the people in the for sale forum about selling stuff at RRP. Damn capitalists :P

[comaamen86]

To chime in here if I order something I don't want then it sells out I offer it on here if no one wants I cancel the pre order

No profit for coma

[treegate]

While I try to respect both sides of an opinion or argument, I only expect the next person, in this case Vlad, to also respect both sides. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, Vlad has his and is welcome to it, I don't think less of him because his way of thinking is at the far end of one spectrum and my belief is at the end of the spectrum, but would only expect the same courtesy in return which he demonstrated in his later posts. I don't know him, nor does he know me, but if I am looked down upon because I believe in capitalism and profits, so be it, I don't think any less of him if he wants to sell his stuff for what he paid to appease others more power to him.

When a person is young they are told to work hard and make something of themselves, to become successful, and with success should come reward. The problem is in society under the liberal way of thinking is success is bad and evil, that everyone should benefit off the backs of those who work hard to succeed. I don't subscribe to that philosophy. Just because I may work very hard doesn't mean the person who sits back and does nothing deserves the same amount of reward. How anyone can agree with that thinking is beyond baffling. It's a simply philosophy but some tend to skew it out of control.

Vlad had made the case of free university/schooling, free medication, free this, free that. What people don't seem to realize is there is no such thing as "free". Everyone pays for it via higher taxes and while one person may be just fine with paying higher taxes, others are not fine with it. Take into consideration healthcare, particular here in the USA. We now have a disaster called Obamacare, and the people were given all these false promises regarding how it would work. If it was so great, why aren't our politicians under Obamacare? They aren't. They all have specialized healthcare that is different from us "common" folks. That is the same as someone saying "Here drink this it's good for you" but when asked if those who are giving it out are drinking it, their answer is "No, we have something better". Now, for those who feel the plight of the common man, how is that above statement fair? What's good for me, isn't good for you? and vice versa?

At the end of the day bigger Government isn't the solution, it's the problem. It is unfortunate that politics and religion keep people separated. Politicians on both sides of the aisle want us all to live in fear, to have us fight amongst ourselves when they pretend to fight against each other, when in reality most of them are friends with one another and corrupt. Personally I am all for term limits on our senators, and supreme court judges, etc. If a President can only sit for four years and run one more time for another four years, that should apply to judges and senators as well. No lifetime of pay either, once they do their time, they go back to private life, no specialize healthcare for them either. Once this day comes, trust me, you will see our so called politicians who are doing this "for their country and society to help" jump ship very fast.

As another person pointed out, look at all the people who are selling items for above retail price on the for sale forums. Are they wrong in doing so? Absolutely not, more power to them. If people want to give everything away at their cost because it will make them feel good inside, that is fine, that is their CHOICE to do so. If others don't want to, and they want to sell for a profit, that is their CHOICE as well.

[treegate]

You shurrup with your being sensible! :P

Haha, I'm leaving it now anyway, I'm glad we've managed to explain our differences but nothing else can really be added now. :)

I'd like to thank Vlad and the others for this debate, at the end of day we will all choose to agree to disagree. It doesn't make one person right or another wrong, it doesn't make one person better than the other. You have an opinion and a way of living, and I have another. I will always be pro-profits and capitalism, but at the same time I do help my fellow man at times by donating to charity, helping out those in need, etc. I am sure Vlad and others do the very same thing in their communities as well.

Now I guess we better get back on the topic of Fallout 4. ;-)

[flatout]

treegate, I am not going to get involved but I did read some of your last post and it is super right wing. What I mean by that is it is the same stereotypical thinking that liberals do to you (when you say things like being successful is bad and evil, and the propaganda that politicians are exempt from the Affordable Healthcare Act, ect... on the other side it is like when liberals say that Republicans are racist and sexist, ect...). Just wanted to say that as it seems in our country people from both sides hate the stereotypes levied against them yet propagate the ones against their political rivals. It is ironic in a very sad way.

But we are amazingly off topic.

[comaamen86]

Too many words, not reading em all

I get the gist though


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[treegate]

treegate, I am not going to get involved but I did read some of your last post and it is super right wing. What I mean by that is it is the same stereotypical thinking that liberals do to you (when you say things like being successful is bad and evil, and the propaganda that politicians are exempt from the Affordable Healthcare Act, ect... on the other side it is like when liberals say that Republicans are racist and sexist, ect...). Just wanted to say that as it seems in our country people from both sides hate the stereotypes levied against them yet propagate the ones against their political rivals. It is ironic in a very sad way.

But we are amazingly off topic.

You read "some of my post", perhaps if you are going to comment at least read all of it. My thinking is not "super right wing" as you put it. Would you say the Affordable Health Care Act is a success? Do you know how many businesses have had to cut their employees hours because they can't afford to pay the rising costs of health care for them no longer? How does that help them? Yes I would agree both sides of the political aisle do spew double-standards, but history has shown that the left generally gets a pass on it, whereas the right tends to take the burden and the brunt of it. A great example was President Bush, SOME liberals called him the devil, Hitler, etc. But if a person disagreed with Obama's policies they were labeled as racists. Sure there are those on the far right, of which I am not one of them despite your thinking who go way too far, and I will be the first to condone their actions.

Yes we are way off topic, we can at least agree on that.