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[comaamen86]

Originally Posted by vhal_x

I think from what I've seen/read you get the game + 1 character free, but then you can pay for the full game for the rest of the characters (which will be no more expensive than a normal retail game) and IIRC you can buy characters seperately? So if you only want one extra character, you can just buy that character, instead of the full game xx

forza 5 has a similar system, i will laugh very very hard if there are 24 characters at 2 - 3 gbp each

[Zaku77]

In that case, there's not really a whole lot to complain about. That's actually a very fair pricing scheme. The only problem with that is that because it's not a physical game, one can't wait for a sale and get the whole thing on the cheap. haha

[CanisCanemEdit]

For me, it's the principle of the matter. As a gamer and even more so as a collector, I'm completely supporting these companies and franchises. In the same token that it's not right to pirate a game that these developers/companies worked hard on, you shouldn't take your community as simpleton cash cows to take advantage of. I just refuse to support Xbone as a gamer regardless of what "promising" incentive that is being dangled in front of me if I know that a company doesn't care about the community that put them on the map to begin with.

Even if it comes out to retail price, I still won't support it. There's plenty of foul to be had. If people want to pay for every character past Jago, then that's their money. I think it's really silly to be paying for your entire roster in a fighting game. This isn't extra skins or minor aesthetic dlc such as certain costume packs; it is fully fleshed out characters. I don't see why they don't include the main KI roster and add extra characters for dlc. If they are saying this is how the fighting community plays their fighting games, it is a bold faced lie meant to cover up shady corporate practices. The representatives for Xbone KI got booed at Evo - a well known fighting tournament held every year. They are definitely taking into account the gaming habits of a group, but it isn't of the community that has been supporting KI as a franchise and fighters as a genre.

If they go back on what they said just like they went back on their entire policy because they are finally taking into account the voices of the community , then there is a glimmer that I'll reconsider my position then.

[Zaku77]

It actually has the potential to be a better deal, though. As long as the full game comes out to $60, then you can just buy the whole thing if you like, or skip characters you may dislike or not want to use. As long as it's $60 in the end either way, then it's only giving consumers more choice, and that is never a bad thing. You also seem to be falling into the trappings of thinking that Microsoft is evil and Sony loves you. They are companies; they exist to make money. Neither of them give two shits about you. Sony decided to take a different approach and capitalize on Microsoft's approach to make more money. It wasn't done out of some love for their community. That is just absolutely ridiculous.

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

It actually has the potential to be a better deal, though. As long as the full game comes out to $60, then you can just buy the whole thing if you like, or skip characters you may dislike or not want to use. As long as it's $60 in the end either way, then it's only giving consumers more choice, and that is never a bad thing. You also seem to be falling into the trappings of thinking that Microsoft is evil and Sony loves you. They are companies; they exist to make money. Neither of them give two shits about you. Sony decided to take a different approach and capitalize on Microsoft's approach to make more money. It wasn't done out of some love for their community. That is just absolutely ridiculous.

Perhaps but Microsoft has shown that the way they intend to make money is fairly anti-consumer (sometimes even anti-developer)

Sony doesn't love me or you nor does MS of course

But the vision each company has shown in how they intend to profit from us has drastically different consumer pros and cons to it

[CanisCanemEdit]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

It actually has the potential to be a better deal, though. As long as the full game comes out to $60, then you can just buy the whole thing if you like, or skip characters you may dislike or not want to use. As long as it's $60 in the end either way, then it's only giving consumers more choice, and that is never a bad thing. You also seem to be falling into the trappings of thinking that Microsoft is evil and Sony loves you. They are companies; they exist to make money. Neither of them give two shits about you. Sony decided to take a different approach and capitalize on Microsoft's approach to make more money. It wasn't done out of some love for their community. That is just absolutely ridiculous.

It seems that you've fallen into some trappings of your own. Don't be mistaken that I was never aware that these are two corporate entities who make money in the end. I just didn't start playing video games in the last 10 years. Not once in my posts did I ever mention that I said Sony loves me. As a matter of fact, I don't think I even brought up Sony in this entire thread concerning Microsoft. I am fully aware of Sony's business practices and let's not forget the days of Ken Kutaragi and his apparent madness. I am addressing Microsoft and Xbox one, so please don't make any unnecessary assumptions about grouping people in this oh you hate one company, therefore you must love the other because you think that's the only thing fueling a person's ideology if they're unhappy with certain corporate business practices. If Sony messes up for one console iteration, I will address them in their entirety and vice versa with what ever is happening in the current video game industry.

To blanket companies as corporations whose sole and only purpose is to make money because they don't have some love or respect for the community that continually supports them is a stupid notion as well. You're basically telling me that all companies exist to make a buck and no company right now in the industry gives two shits about their fan base is a load of bull and a complete disservice to the men and women in those respective companies who enjoy gaming for what it is. It's not farfetched to believe that someone can enjoy making money and still be passionate at what they do. Not everyone has lost sight of their goals, dreams and pursuits in lieu of the almighty dollar. So, when you go and buy your limitations and import your expensive trinkets, you know for a fact that you're just a cash cow and a quick buck to make from all the companies that you buy from.

Everybody's got the choice to do what they want to do in the end. If you want to choose to pay to play and buy your entire roster, then that's entirely up to you. It's your money. I'm not telling you what to do with your money or making choices for you in regards to your hobby just because I don't necessarily agree with the difference of opinion. In the same regards and for others, it is our money to choose what to do at the end of the day based on our thoughts and principles. I am saying that from my stance, I refuse to support such a thing and not because of some kind of fandom that you're confused that I may or may not have. Everyone is entitled to their choice and opinions, but to try to convince a person to change their opinion or make the choice for them when it's not their choice to make to begin with is a wholly different thing itself.

[Zaku77]

Originally Posted by CanisCanemEdit

It seems that you've fallen into some trappings of your own. Don't be mistaken that I was never aware that these are two corporate entities who make money in the end. I just didn't start playing video games in the last 10 years. Not once in my posts did I ever mention that I said Sony loves me. As a matter of fact, I don't think I even brought up Sony in this entire thread concerning Microsoft. I am fully aware of Sony's business practices and let's not forget the days of Ken Kutaragi and his apparent madness. I am addressing Microsoft and Xbox one, so please don't make any unnecessary assumptions about grouping people in this oh you hate one company, therefore you must love the other because you think that's the only thing fueling a person's ideology if they're unhappy with certain corporate business practices. If Sony messes up for one console iteration, I will address them in their entirety and vice versa with what ever is happening in the current video game industry.

To blanket companies as corporations whose sole and only purpose is to make money because they don't have some love or respect for the community that continually supports them is a stupid notion as well. You're basically telling me that all companies exist to make a buck and no company right now in the industry gives two shits about their fan base is a load of bull and a complete disservice to the men and women in those respective companies who enjoy gaming for what it is. It's not farfetched to believe that someone can enjoy making money and still be passionate at what they do. Not everyone has lost sight of their goals, dreams and pursuits in lieu of the almighty dollar. So, when you go and buy your limitations and import your expensive trinkets, you know for a fact that you're just a cash cow and a quick buck to make from all the companies that you buy from.

Everybody's got the choice to do what they want to do in the end. If you want to choose to pay to play and buy your entire roster, then that's entirely up to you. It's your money. I'm not telling you what to do with your money or making choices for you in regards to your hobby just because I don't necessarily agree with the difference of opinion. In the same regards and for others, it is our money to choose what to do at the end of the day based on our thoughts and principles. I am saying that from my stance, I refuse to support such a thing and not because of some kind of fandom that you're confused that I may or may not have. Everyone is entitled to their choice and opinions, but to try to convince a person to change their opinion or make the choice for them when it's not their choice to make to begin with is a wholly different thing itself.

Yup, I was grouping you in with the sentiment that is running rampant on the internet right now that Microsoft wants to kill your dog and Sony wants to give you fellatio in the backroom. I apologize if you don't actually fit into that, but it is so ubiquitous at the moment that it is easy to lump folks into that category.

And it is in no way wrong to say that companies solely exist to make money. The top execs that actually make the decisions get paid big bucks, and they have share holders to worry about that only care about seeing proper returns. The people that really care about their fan base are not the ones making the decisions. It's also worth noting that just because a CEO comes out and says this or that doesn't mean it's genuine. It's called PR, and it's an integral part of their business strategy. EA has come out and said that they fully support used games, yet their past actions CLEARLY show that they do not. It's all PR drivel and it's just little more than pandering. There are certainly companies here and there (usually small ones) that may, indeed, care about their customers even at the top level, but it is certainly not the norm. Even companies that seem to be really involved with their fans (look at the fighting game branch of Capcom) still make decisions to benefit the company and make money. Ultimate MvC3 says hello.

I'm not trying to tell you what you do with you money at all. It doesn't matter to me even a little bit; why the hell would it? I'm arguing with you based on the merits of your principals. That is what forums are for, after all. It just seems like a cop-out to bring up the "do whatever you want with your money" card. That should really go without saying. We are debating the merits of certain opinions, principles, and lines if thinking, nothing more. To bring it full circle back to Killer Instinct. As long as the entire game can be purchased for $60, then you can just pretend that buying it in piece meal or as a free to play doesn't exist because it won't change your experience. It merely adds more options for someone else. I don't see how any stance of principle can possibly make that a bad thing. Your pricing option of choice (buying the whole thing) isn't hampered and there are now more choices for others. How does that warrant a boy-cot or avoidance on principle? Now, if you want to take the angle of avoiding it because it is digital only and therefore will not see retailer sales like physical games tend to, then that is an entirely different and more legitimate conversation all together.

I'm buying a PS4 at launch and won't get an Xbox until a price cut. This isn't out of some misplaced fandom on my end, either. I just think that many people are too quick to jump on bandwagons or throw out opinions that aren't well thought out or reasonable (not neccesarilly saying you are). And I also have a 'slight' affinity for debate (If this whole being a doctor thing doesn't work out, then I would clearly be cut out for being a lawyer. lol)

[Zaku77]

And as soon as we move a little bit more towards a digital landscape, then Sony will be right in line to do the same. Any company would do that if they thought they could get away with it. Sony made some smarter business decisions for the time period we are currently in is all it really comes down to.

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

And as soon as we move a little bit more towards a digital landscape, then Sony will be right in line to do the same. Any company would do that if they thought they could get away with it. Sony made some smarter business decisions for the time period we are currently in ss all it really comes down to.

Precisely and as soon as we go all digital I go PC only

I value consoles because I want a physical copy of the game, licensing be damned

Effort involved in maintaining a PC bothers me less than other gains of it

That all being said MS did decide to try and implment the most restrictive DRM I have ever seen

They really should've just gone either all digital or cd keys

Ended up being the most convulted PR message the world has ever seen for a tech product

[Zaku77]

It was way too convoluted and explained like crap. It was more restrictive than steam in some ways (limited time for offline play) but it was also more open in some ways. You could actually trade in games (albeit to select retailers) and you could give them away (albeit only once) you could also gameshare with 10 different people--although I'm of the mind that it would have ended up being little more than extended demos. There were plenty of back and forths between it and steam, but due to it being more open in some ways and more closed in others, I really wouldn't call it any more or less restrictive than your standard pc DRM schema.