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[Zaku77]

Originally Posted by vhal_x

I think he means that he'd turn to the dark side of "not-paying" for his games, if you catch my drift xx

That's quite a bit worse, honestly. These dev teams work really hard to make these products, and just because one can't get a physical trinket to go with it, it doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be compensated.

Originally Posted by KnightOfTruth

Yeah, I think just with my backlog of games I'd be set for a few years - then could always go play any of the classics that I've been collecting for the last 15+ years, pretty sure that'd take me awhile to get through

On the note of the Day-1 achievement since it was mentioned briefly, I remember reading an article where MS explained that "achievements" would not be limited to specific days/times/events etc. but that "awards" (or whatever they called it would be), but then I notice in all of their marketing they are calling this a "Day 1 Achievement" and not a "Day 1 'Award'" (I forget the exact word they used)... its like they didn't want to upset all the 100%'ers out there, but then wanted to try and lure them in and make them (us) feel like we'll miss something forever if we don't get it on day 1...

between those shenanigans and Ubisoft's treatment of us USA'ers with their slap-in-the-face CE's I'm all but ready to write off next-gen gaming anyway.

Luckily there's lot of older things I don't have yet and current gen things still to collect

I think the achievement thing has definitely gotten out of hand and has obfuscated (at least partially) what gaming is all about. Between achievements/trophies, DRM, CEs and steelbooks, it gets to be pretty easy to forget what the common thread to all of this is: the games. Achievements can be ignored, physical copies can go away, but what matters in the end is the quality of the experience. New technology brings new possibilities to enhance those experiences. Don't be so quick to write off the next gen due to achievement shenanigans and region specific CEs. I'm sure that most of us played games before DRM and achievements even existed. And I definitely remember when video games got their first few steels last gen. It's been a fun addition to the hobby, but it's not the most important part.

[KnightOfTruth]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

I think the achievement thing has definitely gotten out of hand and has obfuscated (at least partially) what gaming is all about. Between achievements/trophies, DRM, CEs and steelbooks, it gets to be pretty easy to forget what the common thread to all of this is: the games. Achievements can be ignored, physical copies can go away, but what matters in the end is the quality of the experience. New technology brings new possibilities to enhance those experiences. Don't be so quick to write off the next gen due to achievement shenanigans and region specific CEs. I'm sure that most of us played games before DRM and achievements even existed. And I definitely remember when video games got their first few steels last gen. It's been a fun addition to the hobby, but it's not the most important part.

Yeah, you do bring up a good point - but back in the SNES, PSX, etc. days we didn't really have an option (or the resources to know that an option may have been available). It was all about the game and how great it was - when people came over they never said "Oh man, you've got THAT edition" it was "Oh man, you've got THAT game!".

So yeah, the game is still the most important part, but if I'm just looking to play a game I don't need to go and spend hardly anything at all and can just go PC and save some dough - obviously the collecting is part of the fun. But you make a good point - its not the most important part. (well, at least IMHO) But like I said, I've got PLENTY of games to play for years to come

Edit: And oh, to stay on topic - I think that steel is sad!