Devil's Kiss Vigor Bottle now available

[blingaling]

I went ahead and got the unsigned, all else aside it really is a beautiful item.
I'm absolutely positive they will produce more if they sell out, at least we do get a minor indication that this will be so due to the "fist edition" clause in the description, as well as their history with other "sold-out" items. Honestly I would be quite happy for a re-release of the MoC bottle.

I get the feeling this pricing structure is a reaction to the super inflated prices we saw in the secondary market. Sold out? Signed? $$$! I profited off of that boom myself. Now autographs are expensive right off the bat. Nothing is ever really sold out. I think it's pretty plain that they just want to destroy that secondary market and take that money themselves.

Sucks for those on a limited budget. Sucks for those (like me) who live in the US and are never far enough away from their computers to miss a limited release item drop. Sucks worst for those who want to resell. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying I believe what's going on with the Irrational store is specifically targeting resellers.

After the truly awful feedback over the signed book can you blame them?

[Mike1888]

Originally Posted by blingaling

I went ahead and got the unsigned, all else aside it really is a beautiful item.
I'm absolutely positive they will produce more if they sell out, at least we do get a minor indication that this will be so due to the "fist edition" clause in the description, as well as their history with other "sold-out" items. Honestly I would be quite happy for a re-release of the MoC bottle.

I get the feeling this pricing structure is a reaction to the super inflated prices we saw in the secondary market. Sold out? Signed? $$$! I profited off of that boom myself. Now autographs are expensive right off the bat. Nothing is ever really sold out. I think it's pretty plain that they just want to destroy that secondary market and take that money themselves.

Sucks for those on a limited budget. Sucks for those (like me) who live in the US and are never far enough away from their computers to miss a limited release item drop. Sucks worst for those who want to resell. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying I believe what's going on with the Irrational store is specifically targeting resellers.

They can't "take that money for themselves." The fact that something is sold out is what makes it worth those amounts, not the signature itself.

Autographs have always been expensive, they're just seeing how far they can go and still get people to buy.

After the truly awful feedback over the signed book can you blame them?

Not sure what you mean.

[blingaling]

Originally Posted by Mike1888

They can't "take that money for themselves." The fact that something is sold out is what makes it worth those amounts, not the signature itself.

If they can sell at these prices, they are quite obviously worth these amounts. If they increase their markup to aftermarket level prices how is this not taking the money for themselves? It's not a semantic argument, it's about cutting out the middleman and charging the premium at the onset.

Originally Posted by Mike1888

Not sure what you mean.

See this thread: http://collectorsedition.org/forums/...ad.php?t=11626

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by blingaling

If they can sell at these prices, they are quite obviously worth these amounts. If they increase their markup to aftermarket level prices how is this not taking the money for themselves? It's not a semantic argument, it's about cutting out the middleman and charging the premium at the onset.

I think Mike is implying that resellers will still be there and jack up the prices accordingly

See the 3 signed lithos

Retail prices for that were expensive but secondary market just tripled the price

[blingaling]

Originally Posted by SwiftDeath

I think Mike is implying that resellers will still be there and jack up the prices accordingly

See the 3 signed lithos

Retail prices for that were expensive but secondary market just tripled the price

Yah I get that but this bubble has burst. Look at the signed Fitzroy prints. Going nowhere. If a 600$ price tag on this bottle burns a guy who bought 3 for 1800$ looking to double their money... well that's just fine

Anyway, it's no big deal to me. I could most assuredly be very wrong. I do enjoy these discussions though

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by blingaling

Yah I get that but this bubble has burst. Look at the signed Fitzroy prints. Going nowhere. If a 600$ price tag on this bottle burns a guy who bought 3 for 1800$ looking to double their money... well that's just fine

Anyway, it's no big deal to me. I could most assuredly be very wrong. I do enjoy these discussions though

I do agree with you that the magic of the bioshock reseller market is bursting

The fitzroys on ebay aren't selling that well

So I guess if that's their motivation then it might be working?

I do think they saw the reseller prices and realized what they could get for them BUT I don't think they give a damn about people reselling them

They just want as much as they can get

Business and all that

[blingaling]

Originally Posted by SwiftDeath

They just want as much as they can get

Business and all that

YES INDEED.

[amb6883]

Originally Posted by blingaling

Yah I get that but this bubble has burst. Look at the signed Fitzroy prints. Going nowhere. If a 600$ price tag on this bottle burns a guy who bought 3 for 1800$ looking to double their money... well that's just fine

Anyway, it's no big deal to me. I could most assuredly be very wrong. I do enjoy these discussions though

Agreed.

Every time they release another "collectible" with his signature it devalues the others. They are over saturating the market and losing credibility. If they are going to charge such a premium they should actually have him sign limited edition items.

[Mike1888]

Originally Posted by blingaling

If they can sell at these prices, they are quite obviously worth these amounts. If they increase their markup to aftermarket level prices how is this not taking the money for themselves? It's not a semantic argument, it's about cutting out the middleman and charging the premium at the onset.


See this thread: http://collectorsedition.org/forums/...ad.php?t=11626

That aftermarket value you are talking about is the result of said item selling out. I'm not saying the items won't sell, I am saying the logic you are describing is circular and doesn't really make sense from a business perspective.

High $$$ reselling auctions if anything help irrational as it solidifies their merchandise as value-holding and collectible. People will be sure to buy the next LE right away at retail.

[blingaling]

Originally Posted by amb6883

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BioShock-Inf...item4175ad3f2b

Relisted, not sold. edit: maybe sold? funky.

Originally Posted by Mike1888

That aftermarket value you are talking about is the result of said item selling out. I'm not saying the items won't sell, I am saying the logic you are describing is circular and doesn't really make sense from a business perspective.
High $$$ reselling auctions if anything help irrational as it solidifies their merchandise as value-holding and collectible. People will be sure to buy the next LE right away at retail.

It's really hard to say either way I suppose. The last 2 signed art prints haven't sold out. Maybe prices will rise after they do. Either way, this:

Originally Posted by amb6883

Every time they release another "collectible" with his signature it devalues the others. They are over saturating the market and losing credibility. If they are going to charge such a premium they should actually have him sign limited edition items.

is dead on.