Fallout 4

[treegate]

Originally Posted by Namzor

Just realized a didn't cancel my Amazon preorder after getting one at Best Buy. If anyone still needs a Pipboy Edition for PC, let me know before I cancel it.

You should keep the pre-order open and then just sell it on eBay and make some money to help pay down the one you are keeping in case nobody here needs it but quite kind of you to offer it to people here.

[KnightOfTruth]

Originally Posted by treegate

You should keep the pre-order open and then just sell it on eBay and make some money to help pay down the one you are keeping in case nobody here needs it but quite kind of you to offer it to people here.

Lots of us on here try to help each other out rather than make money off each other when we can, its one of the things that makes this community so great! But to each his own obviously!

[treegate]

Originally Posted by KnightOfTruth

Lots of us on here try to help each other out rather than make money off each other when we can, its one of the things that makes this community so great! But to each his own obviously!

Yes absolutely agree, that is why I mentioned in case nobody here wanted it in my post, he should keep it open and resell it rather than simply cancelling his pre-order.

[Vlad]

Originally Posted by treegate

Yes absolutely agree, that is why I mentioned in case nobody here wanted it in my post, he should keep it open and resell it rather than simply cancelling his pre-order.

Except that would still mean someone missing out on getting it at its actual price just so that one person can make money on one.
Just my opinion, but that's still fairly close to scalping in my book even if it is only one copy.
You got yours, you then sell a second for the profit, regardless of whether or not it's to recoup costs on the first, someone is still missing out at retail - Counts as unfair to me.

[treegate]

Originally Posted by Vlad

Except that would still mean someone missing out on getting it at its actual price just so that one person can make money on one.
Just my opinion, but that's still fairly close to scalping in my book even if it is only one copy.
You got yours, you then sell a second for the profit, regardless of whether or not it's to recoup costs on the first, someone is still missing out at retail - Counts as unfair to me.

Obviously you don't understand my posting. I said if nobody HERE on this site wants it then he should keep it and resell it. There should be no reason why he can't profit off of it if nobody here responds to him. It is quite gracious of him to offer it to fellow collectors here but if nobody wants it, why should he cancel it if he can make some money off it? Capitalism is a good thing. He can then sell for whatever amount he wants, even if its for more than what he paid. What is wrong with that? If it me and I offered it here for people at cost to help someone out and nobody responded I would sell it and let the secondary market dictate the price.

[Vlad]

Originally Posted by treegate

Obviously you don't understand my posting. I said if nobody HERE on this site wants it then he should keep it and resell it. There should be no reason why he can't profit off of it if nobody here responds to him. It is quite gracious of him to offer it to fellow collectors here but if nobody wants it, why should he cancel it if he can make some money off it? Capitalism is a good thing. He can then sell for whatever amount he wants, even if its for more than what he paid. What is wrong with that? If it me and I offered it here for people at cost to help someone out and nobody responded I would sell it and let the secondary market dictate the price.

Actually, obviously you don't understand my point.

Obviously offering it here is a great thing and one of the reasons why this community is so lovely, but see, believe it or not the world of collectors is larger than this forum and keeping a second order of any sold out item is therefore making someone else in the world that wanted that miss out on getting it at retail price, perhaps even someone that now can't afford it and so only someone with enough money can get it from some reseller, oh, but wait, fuck being a good person and wanting things to be more fair for everybody as a whole when you can have capitalism and personal profit! Or at least that pathetic, tired excuse that resellers, scalpers and their sympathisers always end up using of bringing capitalism into an argument of what's actually the most fair for everybody as if your individual political views absolve you of being the sort of type to not give a shit about anybody else except your profit.

Personally, that's probably why I have a problem with it, I'm not a greedy, selfish, 'capitalist'. I want things to be more fair and to give people a chance and so I can look beyond personal profit and because of all of that, it frankly disgusts me, and in my opinion, as it should any other collector that gives any kind of a shit about their fellow collectors that they might make miss out on something they want.

Actually, to be honest, that's probably the point in that last paragraph, if it wasn't for profiteering, scalping scum, nobody might have to offer up extra unwanted orders because everybody's had a fair chance of getting it in the first place.

[treegate]

Originally Posted by Vlad

Actually, obviously you don't understand my point.

Obviously offering it here is a great thing and one of the reasons why this community is so lovely, but see, believe it or not the world of collectors is larger than this forum and keeping a second order of any sold out item is therefore making someone else in the world that wanted that miss out on getting it at retail price, perhaps even someone that now can't afford it and so only someone with enough money can get it from some reseller, oh, but wait, fuck being a good person and wanting things to be more fair for everybody as a whole when you can have capitalism and personal profit! Or at least that pathetic, tired excuse that resellers, scalpers and their sympathisers always end up using of bringing capitalism into an argument of what's actually the most fair for everybody as if your individual political views absolve you of being the sort of type to not give a shit about anybody else except your profit.

Personally, that's probably why I have a problem with it, I'm not a greedy, selfish, 'capitalist'. I want things to be more fair and to give people a chance and so I can look beyond personal profit and because of all of that, it frankly disgusts me, and in my opinion, as it should any other collector that gives any kind of a shit about their fellow collectors that they might make miss out on something they want.

Actually, to be honest, that's probably the point in that last paragraph, if it wasn't for profiteering, scalping scum, nobody might have to offer up extra unwanted orders because everybody's had a fair chance of getting it in the first place.

Socialism in it's purest form. Did I say in my post that he should sell for hundreds of dollars over cost? No. I said let the secondary market dictate the price. If someone is willing to pay x amount over retail price who are you to dictate that they shouldn't? Yes I am sure a lot of people would love to have an item like this at cost, and he made the offer here that someone could which is very gracious of him and I support that. But if no one is interested, what obligation does he have or anyone for that matter to make sure he finds someone who can have it cost? None. I'd gladly help someone here and I have several times in getting items at cost and shipping them out using up my time to do so and those people have been very thankful, but where is is stated that a person can't put something up for sale on eBay or Amazon and let the secondary market dictate the price? What harm is there in that in all seriousness?

Let me give you an example. If someone sells an item for fifty dollars over retail or five dollars over retail, so what? That is what someone is willing to pay for the item. Does that make the seller some evil "capitalist" because it sold to someone who was willing to pay an amount that is over retail cost? No, profit is a good thing, that profit a person makes may go to help with other expenses he has so he doesn't have to rely on someone else helping him. Perhaps you live in a country where everyone expects everything to be taken care by their government, despite the fact that its the people who end up covering all the taxes to pay for everyone else. I don't believe in that, you may disagree and have every right to, but at the same time respect those opinions that differ from yours with a bit of dignity and maturity.

For the record, in my line of work I used to help people out by selling items at less than fair market value as these items didn't have "retail" prices, listening to their stories about how they needed the item and would not be able to pay more. So I would help them out only to learn they were in turn reselling the very same item behind my back at a profit so I stopped. So what is more "evil" as you put it, the person who sells for a profit as a business, or the person who lies about needing something and gets the item at a less than market value price only to turn around and resell for themselves at a high profit, yet lying through their teeth initially to gain financially?