Final Fantasy XIII-2

[Neilikki]

As I have said, he's not just the only figure who's part of both teams

They've already said that after the development of FFXIII, a large number of people that worked on it, went to help with FF Versus XIII, and also that producing a sequel to FFXIII didn't require so much human resources as the previous title. Demanding that all people just stop doing whatever project they are doing and go help with Versus is just unrealistic.

And though you can call him as "just" a character designer for the XIII series, he tends to work at only one game at a time.

So, you think that after he submits his designs, he then just waits after the entire game is completed, 2-3 years later and he doesn't do anything in the meantime?
No, it's obviously not the case, even now, he works simultaneously on both FFVXIII and new Kingdom Hearts title (and probably the next title after that too) while also working as a designer for other Square Enix Projects.
If he only worked once every few years he would surely starve to death by now.

Versus XIII has garnered such huge hype since E3 2006 yet we find out that it's barely even touched because Square's been busy with their other (lesser?)

Except they said it's already in the final stage of development.
Square Enix isn't a small company, that can only work at one project at a time
Just because you don't see much promotional materials, doesn't mean the game is untouched.
And, in the first place, it's not like Versus is some Square's messiah. All of the Fabula Nova Crystalis games gained huge fans attention and were awaited and wanted, and calling them "lesser" titles is plainly wrong.

All these have led to fans get disappointed in Square for releasing an unwanted sequel when they could have been working on what the fans think is their next best project.

Calling it "unwanted" makes you look very biased, you know that, right? A lot of people waited and still wait to play it.
Just because Versus is highly anticipated title, means that every title from Square until it is released is unnecessary?
That would be true if only people that anxiously wait for only Versus could buy their games, but fortunately, they have audience beyond that.
Will Versus sell more copies than FFXIII-2? Probably.
Should they give up on those potential 2-3+ mln sales XIII-2 will eventually bring them worldwide? Why would they?
And I remind you again, that working on FFXIII-2 didn't hurt Versus, because refer to point one.

tl;dr Stop looking through Versus googles, it distorts the vision.

[Solemn_In_Berlin]

Originally Posted by Neilikki

They've already said that after the development of FFXIII, a large number of people that worked on it, went to help with FF Versus XIII, and also that producing a sequel to FFXIII didn't require so much human resources as the previous title. Demanding that all people just stop doing whatever project they are doing and go help with Versus is just unrealistic.

Well I never said that did I? But you and I both know that a lot of their recent handheld games are filler at best.

Originally Posted by Neilikki

So, you think that after he submits his designs, he then just waits after the entire game is completed, 2-3 years later and he doesn't do anything in the meantime?
No, it's obviously not the case, even now, he works simultaneously on both FFVXIII and new Kingdom Hearts title (and probably the next title after that too) while also working as a designer for other Square Enix Projects.
If he only worked once every few years he would surely starve to death by now.

Again, I did not say that. But it's a well-known fact that he tends to focus on one game at a time. That's why he said that a main Kingdom Hearts title won't be coming for a long time. That's why he said that Versus XIII is not as close as we think so we should stop thinking about it. You could argue by saying that he goes to Versus XIII, a new Kingdom Hearts or whatever every now and then while working on his current main project but until he's done with that, we won't be seeing any other any time soon.

Originally Posted by Neilikki

Except they said it's already in the final stage of development.
Square Enix isn't a small company, that can only work at one project at a time
Just because you don't see much promotional materials, doesn't mean the game is untouched.
And, in the first place, it's not like Versus is some Square's messiah. All of the Fabula Nova Crystalis games gained huge fans attention and were awaited and wanted, and calling them "lesser" titles is plainly wrong.

Hence, why I added a question mark. I don't call them lesser, but it's not the first time I have heard people say that they are. And wow, Versus XIII's development is in full swing. Not bad after... I don't know. Five and a half years full of hype?

Also, Square promises a lot of things.

Originally Posted by Neilikki

Calling it "unwanted" makes you look very biased, you know that, right? A lot of people waited and still wait to play it.
Just because Versus is highly anticipated title, means that every title from Square until it is released is unnecessary?
That would be true if only people that anxiously wait for only Versus could buy their games, but fortunately, they have audience beyond that.
Will Versus sell more copies than FFXIII-2? Probably.
Should they give up on those potential 2-3+ mln sales XIII-2 will eventually bring them worldwide? Why would they?

Yeah why would they. I mean, they're Square. They don't seem to try anymore, but I guess when you're guaranteed sales from your name alone, you don't have to right?

I'm sorry when I called it unwanted for lack of a better word. And I know that majority's not always right. But I guess it is in this case.

Originally Posted by Neilikki

And I remind you again, that working on FFXIII-2 didn't hurt Versus.

Of course it did. I trust Square (enough) to believe that they won't be dropping a Duke Nukem Forever bomb with Versus XIII. But you kill the hype by giving too much hype without anything to show for it. If you showcase one trailer for the game per year, people will eventually stop caring, regardless if you're Square or not. It also doesn't help to know that XIII also took a while before it got out because while it wasn't bad, you can tell that potential's been squandered.

Originally Posted by Neilikki

tl;dr Stop looking through Versus googles, it distorts the vision.

I don't even know why I still care. I was never a Square guy to begin with. I preferred the Tales series over FF, and I was always a NIS and Gust guy. Still, Versus XIII was something that caught my eye. Maybe it brought spark back to any faith I had left in Square (yadda yadda)... But I guess you're right. Better off to enjoy what you have right now instead of clamoring for something you don't see coming from a mile away.

By the way, I hope you don't take this argument personally. TBH, I enjoy this type of healthy argument/forum talk/whatever. I don't know if you do too but I'm only saying this because a lot of people whom I have argued in the past with thought that this was a war and well, things didn't pan out well for both of us.

[Neilikki]

But you and I both know that a lot of their recent handheld games are filler at best.

Their most recent handheld game is Type-0, so not really.
Or did you mean just team Nomura and its spin-offs of Kingdom Hearts ?
Then maybe, but making a handheld title is still infinitely less troublesome than developing a game for a home console (and less number of people need to work on it)

But it's a well-known fact that he tends to focus on one game at a time.

But that's regarding the games he produces himself, not the games he only makes sketches for!

You could argue by saying that he goes to Versus XIII, a new Kingdom Hearts or whatever every now and then while working on his current main project but until he's done with that, we won't be seeing any other any time soon.

But Versus IS his current main project now. If anything, it's the other way around, when he doesn't work on Versus, he goes to work on other titles, every now and then.
It's logical, being the producer, he won't take on two big projects at a time, just like Motomu Toriyama, or whoever other SE producer isn't going to start working on both FFXV and FFXVI at the same time, right?
Again, the lack of promotion regarding FF Versus XIII doesn't come from the fact, that there is nothing to show, or that Nomura is too busy with other games to work on it (because he isn't). It's just how their marketing strategy works, they tend to focus on those titles that are nearing their completion. We already had FFXIII, Type 0 and now FFXIII-2. I bet this year we'll see more and more Versus materials as time goes by.

Yeah why would they. I mean, they're Square.

Yeah, they are a company, they try to run business. Do you know any company which would willingly refuse money?
And if that means, the fans get to play one more title within the universe they enjoyed, what harm does it make to anyone?
You know, you gotta feel sorry for Square sometimes. Whatever they do, it's wrong.
They made this sequel, true, the "easy money" part probably was one of the deciding factors.
But they did try hard. They listened to all the fans suggestions and criticism and they adjusted the game accordingly, to provide even better experience.
It's not a copy paste, like you would expect from what a "sequel" usually means.
And yet, it will never be enough.
Okay, I know it's the price of being popular, but it's still discouraging.

But you kill the hype by giving too much hype without anything to show for it.

Yeah, and that's exactly why they do not hype this game at all...right?

Even XIII took a while and while it wasn't bad, it was mediocre at best.

Well, technically, this game is nowhere near being medicore with its outstanding graphics, audio and battle system. And the rest is lolopinions. I personally love FFXIII to death, even with its linearity which I didn't quite liked (though it wasn't a deal breaker either)
That's why I'm happy the sequel is more open.

By the way, I hope you don't take this argument personally.

Of course not, we are having a pleasant conversation, aren't we?
And no, I don't like flame wars either

[Legendhawk]

Here is my Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Editions UNBOXINGS !
This 3 versions is very nice and beautiful to watch hope you like it .

Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Crystal Edition UNBOXING


Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Limited Collectors Edition UNBOXING


Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Nordic Edition UNBOXING


Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Promo / Preorder Bonus Steelbook UNBOXING

[gu8]

cheers for the vids bro, man that steelbook is stunning, best thing about the whole lot imo

[Madigan]

Originally Posted by Legendhawk

Here is my Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Editions UNBOXINGS !
This 3 versions is very nice and beautiful to watch hope you like it .

Final Fantasy XIII - 2 : Crystal Edition UNBOXING

I expected a little more, but it's an... okay edition, I give it a 7/10

Thanks for the unboxing Legendhawk

Is it heavy? I'm worried about the weight

[Legendhawk]

the crystal edition is a bit heavy , more than Tekken Hybrid Limited Edition , check out my youtube if you want to

[Twisted]

Legendhawk...did your final fantasty crystal edition come with a factory seal? like a complete cellophane plastic wrapping?..the ones in australia are arriving unsealed apparantly..just wondering.

[joynulk]

My crystal came factory sealed.

[Kelekin]

I'm probably going to have one of these Crystal Editions for sale...I thought I cancelled my pre-order for it but apparently it didn't go through. I hate Amazon sometimes.