Xbox Live Day One Subscription Steelbook

[vhal_x]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

I know this is a few pages back, but bear with me...

I, like all of you, am obviously a collector. I get a lot of legitimate enjoyment out of building my collection, getting cool collectibles, etc. Your statement blows my mind, though. If you could no longer buy physical collectibles, you would give up gaming? I think that's losing site of the forest for the trees. Do you enjoy video games, or do you enjoy buying discs? lol

I think he means that he'd turn to the dark side of "not-paying" for his games, if you catch my drift xx

[KnightOfTruth]

Yeah, I think just with my backlog of games I'd be set for a few years - then could always go play any of the classics that I've been collecting for the last 15+ years, pretty sure that'd take me awhile to get through

On the note of the Day-1 achievement since it was mentioned briefly, I remember reading an article where MS explained that "achievements" would not be limited to specific days/times/events etc. but that "awards" (or whatever they called it would be), but then I notice in all of their marketing they are calling this a "Day 1 Achievement" and not a "Day 1 'Award'" (I forget the exact word they used)... its like they didn't want to upset all the 100%'ers out there, but then wanted to try and lure them in and make them (us) feel like we'll miss something forever if we don't get it on day 1...

between those shenanigans and Ubisoft's treatment of us USA'ers with their slap-in-the-face CE's I'm all but ready to write off next-gen gaming anyway.

Luckily there's lot of older things I don't have yet and current gen things still to collect

[SwiftDeath]

Originally Posted by KnightOfTruth

Yeah, I think just with my backlog of games I'd be set for a few years - then could always go play any of the classics that I've been collecting for the last 15+ years, pretty sure that'd take me awhile to get through

On the note of the Day-1 achievement since it was mentioned briefly, I remember reading an article where MS explained that "achievements" would not be limited to specific days/times/events etc. but that "awards" (or whatever they called it would be), but then I notice in all of their marketing they are calling this a "Day 1 Achievement" and not a "Day 1 'Award'" (I forget the exact word they used)... its like they didn't want to upset all the 100%'ers out there, but then wanted to try and lure them in and make them (us) feel like we'll miss something forever if we don't get it on day 1...

between those shenanigans and Ubisoft's treatment of us USA'ers with their slap-in-the-face CE's I'm all but ready to write off next-gen gaming anyway.

Luckily there's lot of older things I don't have yet and current gen things still to collect

Previous Gen for the win

I have quite the backlog too

[Zaku77]

Originally Posted by vhal_x

I think he means that he'd turn to the dark side of "not-paying" for his games, if you catch my drift xx

That's quite a bit worse, honestly. These dev teams work really hard to make these products, and just because one can't get a physical trinket to go with it, it doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be compensated.

Originally Posted by KnightOfTruth

Yeah, I think just with my backlog of games I'd be set for a few years - then could always go play any of the classics that I've been collecting for the last 15+ years, pretty sure that'd take me awhile to get through

On the note of the Day-1 achievement since it was mentioned briefly, I remember reading an article where MS explained that "achievements" would not be limited to specific days/times/events etc. but that "awards" (or whatever they called it would be), but then I notice in all of their marketing they are calling this a "Day 1 Achievement" and not a "Day 1 'Award'" (I forget the exact word they used)... its like they didn't want to upset all the 100%'ers out there, but then wanted to try and lure them in and make them (us) feel like we'll miss something forever if we don't get it on day 1...

between those shenanigans and Ubisoft's treatment of us USA'ers with their slap-in-the-face CE's I'm all but ready to write off next-gen gaming anyway.

Luckily there's lot of older things I don't have yet and current gen things still to collect

I think the achievement thing has definitely gotten out of hand and has obfuscated (at least partially) what gaming is all about. Between achievements/trophies, DRM, CEs and steelbooks, it gets to be pretty easy to forget what the common thread to all of this is: the games. Achievements can be ignored, physical copies can go away, but what matters in the end is the quality of the experience. New technology brings new possibilities to enhance those experiences. Don't be so quick to write off the next gen due to achievement shenanigans and region specific CEs. I'm sure that most of us played games before DRM and achievements even existed. And I definitely remember when video games got their first few steels last gen. It's been a fun addition to the hobby, but it's not the most important part.

[Letrico]

I never bothered for achievement even now. I just try to complete the game 100% for my favourites like Tomb Raider and AC. Maybe that's why I have tons of silver trophies and lousy achievement on my xbox and steam

[KnightOfTruth]

Originally Posted by Zaku77

I think the achievement thing has definitely gotten out of hand and has obfuscated (at least partially) what gaming is all about. Between achievements/trophies, DRM, CEs and steelbooks, it gets to be pretty easy to forget what the common thread to all of this is: the games. Achievements can be ignored, physical copies can go away, but what matters in the end is the quality of the experience. New technology brings new possibilities to enhance those experiences. Don't be so quick to write off the next gen due to achievement shenanigans and region specific CEs. I'm sure that most of us played games before DRM and achievements even existed. And I definitely remember when video games got their first few steels last gen. It's been a fun addition to the hobby, but it's not the most important part.

Yeah, you do bring up a good point - but back in the SNES, PSX, etc. days we didn't really have an option (or the resources to know that an option may have been available). It was all about the game and how great it was - when people came over they never said "Oh man, you've got THAT edition" it was "Oh man, you've got THAT game!".

So yeah, the game is still the most important part, but if I'm just looking to play a game I don't need to go and spend hardly anything at all and can just go PC and save some dough - obviously the collecting is part of the fun. But you make a good point - its not the most important part. (well, at least IMHO) But like I said, I've got PLENTY of games to play for years to come

Edit: And oh, to stay on topic - I think that steel is sad!

[Clusks]

I kind of don't mind the achievement system, but there's a few things that annoy me about it:

- It'd be so much better if they were just a set of things you had to actually achieve. Most games have terrible ones that take next to no time to get. I just played Tekken Tag 2, and within a week I had about 43/50 achievements. Thinks like "open edit mode" aren't achievements. "Get to the highest rank in offline mode" - That is an achievement. I'm playing Blue Dragon at the moment, which has some of the hardest achievements I've seen! I won't get all of them (I've actually missed one item, which is necessary for one, and I can't be bothered to go back and play it through again!), but I'll be having a go at some of them as it proposes a fun challenge for myself!
-Achievements related to stories. Tomb Raider got this right, I don't think (if I remember correctly) there was one achievement related to the story, only one for completing the game. It's a little bit distracting.
- Online achievements. Some of them are fine, I guess, but a lot of them are just mandatory, dull things just to make you play a few games online. I think some of the achievements on SF4 were cool, but mainly because there's a big community that plays that online, and if you get some of them you can honestly say you've achieved something.



Also, gaming comes first before collecting. I like my collection, but it was born as a result of playing games. I'd be sad to see CEs go away, but it will come to that eventually. The games are what I'm interested in, I have a few CEs or games that I've bought that are rare and sealed, but it's only because I haven't had a chance to get around and play them! I intend to play all the games I buy, no matter if they're CE or not.

[CanisCanemEdit]

I could care less about trophies and achievements. I'm a completionist, but that's isn't my initial concern when it comes to this hobby. Unfortunately, the trophy/achievement system is a big thing for a lot of people who rely heavily on their scores to prove who's got the bigger .

As for the Killer Instinct, I love that series and was floored when it was shown during the conference. I, however, will not be purchasing a pay to play game where I'm given one character and have to buy the rest of the playable characters because corporate seems to think shaking up the scene means paying for your entire roster. No, thanks. Every fighting game I have has a bunch of time logged on across different characters to get a feel of what's been twerked with and if I still want to play the same set of characters. While it's true that you'll end up having 1-3 characters as your main, more than that amount will have been used. I'm not supporting this steelbook, either.

[Zaku77]

Originally Posted by CanisCanemEdit

I could care less about trophies and achievements. I'm a completionist, but that's isn't my initial concern when it comes to this hobby. Unfortunately, the trophy/achievement system is a big thing for a lot of people who rely heavily on their scores to prove who's got the bigger .

As for the Killer Instinct, I love that series and was floored when it was shown during the conference. I, however, will not be purchasing a pay to play game where I'm given one character and have to buy the rest of the playable characters because corporate seems to think shaking up the scene means paying for your entire roster. No, thanks. Every fighting game I have has a bunch of time logged on across different characters to get a feel of what's been twerked with and if I still want to play the same set of characters. While it's true that you'll end up having 1-3 characters as your main, more than that amount will have been used. I'm not supporting this steelbook, either.

I'm still curious what the total cost of the game will be. If it's just $60 to unlock all the content, then no harm done, really.

[vhal_x]

I think from what I've seen/read you get the game + 1 character free, but then you can pay for the full game for the rest of the characters (which will be no more expensive than a normal retail game) and IIRC you can buy characters seperately? So if you only want one extra character, you can just buy that character, instead of the full game xx